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Rob
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Rob

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Telcis,

There's no point in going back and forth with you when I've already addressed all the points you've (re)stated.

Unaltered is not the same as Unsupported.

This is Rants and I'm ranting about new age Jagex. All I'm stating is just because they work there doesn't automatically make them good people, and there is a LOT of corruption in the company, yet players like yourself turn a blind eye, and have a problem with players like me (and even former employees) that call out the lies.

15-Aug-2018 13:46:37

Telcis

Telcis

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I don't think you understand.
What you are doing is wrong.

By all means, if you have any proof to what you claim, provide it and then accuse them of being immoral and corrupt.
But with all the information that I have Jagex has done nothing wrong.

You just don't agree with their actions. You need to respect the difference, that way your opinion is something Jagex can use.

As at the moment its somewhere between a conspiracy theorists and a childs tantrum.

15-Aug-2018 13:50:36

Telcis

Telcis

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Ill use an analogy to illustrate my point.

Say I see you in game not responding to anyone and just playing the game.
Would it be wrong of me to accuse you of botting?
Would it be wrong of me to say your a cheater and should be banned?
Would I need evidence to accuse you of such?

There is a rule on the forums which states you can't name and shame other players. The reason is that its impossible for you to get evidence that proves that the other player did what you claim.
This rule is based on the ethics which you need to learn. You can speculate, but you cant claim your opinion as fact or slander people without proper proof. This includes members of any company or institution. Innocent until proven.

15-Aug-2018 13:58:42

Lord Bucket

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"Remember kids, just because they have a little gold crown doesn't mean they're the good guys. After all, it was a rouge Jagex employee that was recovering dormant accounts and selling the resources and dormant rares for real money! (2013)"

You keep making statements like that, but refuse to show us anything. Is it odd for people to not believe you? People are going to reply to that, and that means off-topic

The only J-mod I'm aware of that that actually abused his position was Mod Reach. He's been promptly fired by Jagex. Which one are you talking about? Mod Reach was fired in 2015, not 2013. Jagex' would've fired the other one as well

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It is with regret that we have some sad and unfortunate news to share with you. Today, Mod Reach was dismissed from employment at Jagex, following an investigation into serious misuse of moderator privileges. This was flagged to us by system checks which track and log code changes made to the live game. We were able to intercept the intended changes before anything could impact the game economy.

While staff changes are not something we tend to share so publically, when both the integrity of the game and the team are put at risk we felt duty bound to make the community aware of what has happened.

Obviously this unexpected news means we need some time to collect our thoughts and formulate plans for future projects. Once we have pulled all of this together we will of course share and discuss this with the community. Due to the sensitivities of the situation we are not going to be able to give any more detail at this time.

We are determined to ensure Mod Reach’s departure does not detract from the great start to the year we have had. We want both the team and community to go from strength to strength and to take Old School RuneScape forward onto bigger and better things for many years to come.

Thank you for your ongoing support.

- http://services.runescape.com/m=news/mod-reach?oldschool=1 What kind of MTX do
YOU
want to see in OSRS?
Click here to post your suggestions

15-Aug-2018 14:01:16 - Last edited on 15-Aug-2018 14:02:49 by Lord Bucket

Rob
Sep Member 2010

Rob

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No, it wasn't Mod Reach.

Yes, we have plenty of proof. Yes, I can post it once I go through and redact names.

Yes, I sent it to Jagex. Yes, they acknowledged we were correct in the corruption and theft.

No, Jagex didn't do anything about it and the resource economy of Classic was permanently destroyed.

The Mod in question was not only an employee, but a friend and a Classic clanmate. He betrayed the community and Jagex didn't give a single shit.

So yes, there's some angst there as well.

It's rants, I'm ranting. Sorry if you don't approve of my ranting because the
truth
tarnishes Jagex's reputation of being perfect.

15-Aug-2018 14:28:51

Lord Bucket

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Rob said :
No, it wasn't Mod Reach.

Yes, we have plenty of proof. Yes, I can post it once I go through and redact names.

Yes, I sent it to Jagex. Yes, they acknowledged we were correct in the corruption and theft.

No, Jagex didn't do anything about it and the resource economy of Classic was permanently destroyed.

The Mod in question was not only an employee, but a friend and a Classic clanmate. He betrayed the community and Jagex didn't give a single shit.

So yes, there's some angst there as well.

It's rants, I'm ranting. Sorry if you don't approve of my ranting because the
truth
tarnishes Jagex's reputation of being perfect.

What truth? Oh, the evidence you still haven't shown? But very well. I'm eagerly awaiting your proof.

Everyone knows Jagex isn't perfect. They made plenty of fuck ups and everyone knows it. They repeatedly fail to properly communicate important things. They've acknowledged that and want to improve. Which they somewhat did, but in the wrong way. They're also trying that by having BTS videos and rather odd things, but that doesn't help when there's more MTX updates than actual game content on the homepage.

The way Jagex focuses on monitizing is bad. I'd be the first to say that. There's like 8 different forms of payment, and being a member doesn't feel like supporting the game anymore, due to all the other forms of payment. Recent price increases that were unnecessary, with the promise that "it's gonna be worth it". They haven't shown anything to justify it.

So yes, Jagex isn't a perfect company. We all knew that. That's not the issue. The issue was about you claiming the "truth" but presenting no evidence. But you said you're going to do that, so we'll see :) What kind of MTX do
YOU
want to see in OSRS?
Click here to post your suggestions

15-Aug-2018 14:44:49

Luis12345LTS
Apr Member 2020

Luis12345LTS

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Telcis said :
Ill use an analogy to illustrate my point.

Say I see you in game not responding to anyone and just playing the game.
Would it be wrong of me to accuse you of botting?
Would it be wrong of me to say your a cheater and should be banned?



Nop it wouldn't be wrong, everyone is in their right to speak. And in your set of questions if I cannot immediately prove that is not the case either well just keeps the "trial going" if we want to give it a name as it has been happening.

"Would I need evidence to accuse you of such?"
Yes you would and I would also need evidence that I was doing things right - when something is in doubt in this case Jagex you got to look at both sides of the coin and not blind believe in one side.

"There is a rule on the forums which states you can't name and shame other players. The reason is that its impossible for you to get evidence that proves that the other player did what you claim."
Tbh is not your reason why they or other games don't go on naming and shaming, you are just adapting it. There is a place set up for that purpose and get done the formalities.

15-Aug-2018 15:26:48 - Last edited on 15-Aug-2018 17:19:58 by Luis12345LTS

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