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Rob
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We were just about back on topic, and he comes Draco to troll the day.

Bucket, the did ponder the idea of essentially releasing the source code, making the game downloadable and allowing players to use commands to do whatever they'd like with the game.

To me, this would make me satisfied as a customer, though I'm not sure whatever came of the idea. This was in 2009, nearing a decade ago.

As far as their excuses, we know they are lies. I've been around the game a long time, and I am personal friends with past Jagex employees. They've confirmed with me that it's bullshit. The game could continue to run as long as they pleased, but it came down to profit. Hence it being part of the Great Jagex Game Purge of 2018.

My statements on the issue aren't me just being a pissed off customer. The have plenty of reliable source behind them, but it's not my place to oust the former mods that have talked to me.

14-Aug-2018 22:30:47

Lord Bucket

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Rob said :
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As far as their excuses, we know they are lies. I've been around the game a long time, and I am personal friends with past Jagex employees. They've confirmed with me that it's bullshit. The game could continue to run as long as they pleased, but it came down to profit. Hence it being part of the Great Jagex Game Purge of 2018.

My statements on the issue aren't me just being a pissed off customer. The have plenty of reliable source behind them, but it's not my place to oust the former mods that have talked to me.

Yeah, that sounds like about the best way Jagex could handle the situation, and I can't see what stops them, aside from certain legal issues, and the ones mentioned by Jagex(if true).
If Jagex is going to sit on its ass refusing to do anything, people are simply going to resort to private servers. They don't want that.

Jagex lies, I don't doubt that. But I'm assuming even Jagex isn't stupid enough to shut down a game like RSC without a good reason.

"My statements on the issue aren't me just being a pissed off customer. The have plenty of reliable source behind them, but it's not my place to oust the former mods that have talked to me."

Yes, but your reliable sources don't help me, because I'm still clueless whether Jagex is lying or not. And maybe you do have ex-(or current)J-mod friends, but I can't just believe someone because they're saying: "my uncle worked at Nintendo, and..."

I need something to go on with, too. I can't confidently say that Jagex are a bunch of liars and they're cutting off RSC for profits, as I've nothing that suggests it. The reasons Jagex lists seem reasonable enough to me, and are certainly possible. How about this:

IF they are lying, than that is indeed bullshit and there's no need to trust them further. They broke that.
IF they're not, then I can understand why it closed.

You know which one it is, I don't.

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15-Aug-2018 00:01:39 - Last edited on 15-Aug-2018 00:03:51 by Lord Bucket

Telcis

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Draco Burnz said :
Lord Bucket said :
Jagex lies, I don't doubt that. But I'm assuming even Jagex isn't stupid enough to shut down a game like RSC without a good reason.

Exactly.

So till they give their reason(s), i guess all any of us can do is accept what they did.
They did give reasons, several of them.
Just that OP and some others claim that they are lying but refuse to provide any proof.

15-Aug-2018 01:03:24

Luis12345LTS
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Telcis said :
Draco Burnz said :
Lord Bucket said :
Jagex lies, I don't doubt that. But I'm assuming even Jagex isn't stupid enough to shut down a game like RSC without a good reason.

Exactly.

So till they give their reason(s), i guess all any of us can do is accept what they did.
They did give reasons, several of them.
Just that OP and some others claim that they are lying but refuse to provide any proof.

Yet to counter-argument I see you failing to provide any proof given by a non affiliated Jagex authority to show that they are not lying so its a little ironic.

15-Aug-2018 01:27:13

Luis12345LTS
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Draco Burnz said :
Luis12345LTS said :
Yet to counter-argument I see you failing to provide any proof given by a non affiliated Jagex authority to show that they are not lying so its a little ironic.

Yet having to show proof isnt the point in this thread.

Exactly but Telcis keeps wanting to go into the proof games. To me Rob has made arguments to further back up OT and referenced where to read more so let's stick to things.

15-Aug-2018 02:10:54

Telcis

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Well, we don't have specific proof for Jagex. So its just speculation.
Being speculation, we cannot accuse Jagex of wrongdoing because that would be slander, thus wrong.


I don't have a problem with what you want, I have a problem with how you are going about trying to achieve it.

15-Aug-2018 10:47:46

Rob
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People that aren't very affiliated with Classic tend to think that Jagex treated Classic like their golden child, and let it run all this time because they appreciated and respected the game/its players.

This is simply untrue.

The game has been neglected for years. The "Unaltared" game became the "Unsupported" game under New Jagex.

This is what happens when business go from family run to mass corporations.

To top it off, the majority of new Jagex employees are new-age players that have never played Classic. The respect for the game is no longer there, because not even the company itself in a while played it in its hay day.

Remember kids, just because they have a little gold crown doesn't mean they're the good guys. After all, it was a rouge Jagex employee that was recovering dormant accounts and selling the resources and dormant rares for real money! (2013)

15-Aug-2018 13:21:34

Telcis

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People who don't have a strong argument tend to use logical fallacies to compensate.
Ironically, the above is the same fallacy as what Rob did! LOL.


Runescape classic was an unsupported version. Jagex have been very, very clear about that and yet you seem to expect more.
Unsupported means "as is", no fixes should be expected.

This is what happens when technology updates faster than the language of the content.
Do you see people brining in Model T fords to Ford for warranty claims 100 years after the purchase? Nope. Exaggerated example to show that when a company deems "its time to move on", they call the product unsupported because of the relevant costs involved with stocking or sourcing parts.
For Jagex's case, it wasn't worth their money having people who had the skillset to work with classic to remain. So they changed it to an unsupported version.

You cannot say that the new employees don't respect RSC because you don't know them all personally. This is slander that I was talking about earlier.

You seem to have a problem with capitalism as a whole, rather than the people at Jagex.
Don't use the company as an excuse to abuse and belittle the people that work there. They are people, treat them as such.

15-Aug-2018 13:35:07

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