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Telcis

Telcis

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SIXTY-NIN3 said :
To think that RS3/OSRS could one day go the same way as RSC is reeling.
Nothing will last forever, so its sort of a redundant statement. Besides the realization of such.
In a single word, entropy.

But, RSC wasn't the end of Runescape. Runescape still continues and will continue on while its still profitable.

Don't treat your achievements as things, treat it as an experience.

01-Sep-2018 01:51:19

SIXTY-NIN3
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Telcis said :
Nothing will last forever, so its sort of a redundant statement. Besides the realization of such.
In a single word, entropy.

But, RSC wasn't the end of Runescape. Runescape still continues and will continue on while its still profitable.

Don't treat your achievements as things, treat it as an experience.
I'm aware...? Knowing something to be a true in a clinical sense and actually acknowledging something when you're personally faced with it are completely different. For instance, I almost died a few years ago and it wasn't until that point in time that I truly understood mortality. Before that point, it was an aloof understanding that I felt far removed from considering I was relatively young (still am, I suppose). After that point, I finally appreciated the significance even though I'd accepted it and made my peace. Thankfully, however, by the grace of God, I pulled through.

RSC may not signify the end of RS as a whole, but it signifies the end of an era. Similarly, RS3/OSRS will be shut down in turn if the so-called RS4/RSR becomes wildly successful or Jagex somehow goes bankrupt. The former may not signify the end of RS, but it signifies the end for me. Just as Classic shutting down clearly affected Luis.

I do agree with the last point, however. “Nothing is so common as the wish to be remarkable.”

01-Sep-2018 04:01:17

Luis12345LTS
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Telcis said :

You don't lose out when you know where you stand. You only lose if you assume you had more than you did.

Thats the thing, does Jagex do enough to make their users aware like other companies which tell their clients/customers or w/e that they had changed T&C? Is an implicit agree they want to have better than a conscious agree?

Telcis said :
Jagex isn't going to create a terms and conditions that negatively effects them, they are a business after all. Naturally, what I'm saying is maybe act a little more empathizing toward your players, undoubtedly would make them look better on the community and less geared toward "interests".

Telcis said :

I'd say that its all within the scope of this thread. OP states that Jagex are liars and makes a few very sensationalistic remarks. Most if not all are untrue, and there's very little credibility to what is claimed.
Having a position of counter-argumenting the whole thread I think your position is strongly biased. The events did occur and things are fuzzy.

Telcis said :

As for the reasons, I believe it was more the fact that they didn't have anyone who could work on the game.
That is hugely likely, the very few that knew how things worked they were either fired, left Jagex or maybe just got completely reassigned. Regardless, that does not leave out that things could have been predicted/managed better, they chose not do do that fine, they are in their right. The image they leave choosing that is rather sour.

We cannot impact directly on Jagex, most likely not. What we can do is open other people's eyes of perhaps a false impression they might have on Jagex. I don't doubt there are RS3 and OSRS folks out there who think that their investment is guaranteed while in fact it isn't. Or may think they are empathized by Jagex which again may not come true.

01-Sep-2018 06:39:49

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Telcis said :

I say this, because it seems like you think its a joke reason that Jagex has given. It is not, it is a carefully considered action that shows they care about the long term of their player base.

Well it was a joke on the bot and bugs that affected gameplay being a problem. Blind believing them that the "best" decision was to shut things down wont work with me on the elements they have made public.

Telcis said :


Do Jagex need to explicitly state the options that they looked at? No, they don't need to. They could, and I'm sure some players would appreciate it.
And it would build a better image on them

Telcis said :

There's also no reason to believe that they didn't look into alternatives.
That can't be known really everything was done internally.

Telcis said :
the ultimate decision and weighting of each outcome is decided by Jagex. Jagex et al.

Telcis said :
Its in their best interest to act in the interest of the majority. Very arguably, could also be in the interest of themselves, in the interest of their investors, for what i know its very divided on the interest of the players.

Telcis said :

That was a question for you. At what point would you consider expectations or demands to become unreasonable?
Yes I know and is why I said when they can clear things up. Like for instance a clear example I expect them to empathize more. Have they approached the players on the aftermath? Do they know people have suicide because they can no longer play RSC or Funorb? Jagex employees are humans to what I know and it should be understandable to expect them to empathize and cover things better, try to end on better terms on their former players, don't know like I said RSC left many of us hurt.

01-Sep-2018 07:18:20

Telcis

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Luis12345LTS said :
Thats the thing, does Jagex do enough to make their users aware like other companies which tell their clients/customers or w/e that they had changed T&C? Is an implicit agree they want to have better than a conscious agree?
Explicitly yes, they do enough. The Terms and conditions are linked at the bottom of every page on the website. They have not changed significantly since 2009 where there was a revisit to the rules. Which every player at the time was alerted to.
Even before 2009 the T&C still had the same clauses that are giving you strife. Remember they are only on version 0.2 of their T&C.

Luis12345LTS said :

Naturally, what I'm saying is maybe act a little more empathizing toward your players,
...they are? Do you think players would be very happy if an exploit was found that stole all of their credit card information and lost their accounts?
A security breach like seen in Windows XP could certainly lead to that.
Or does empathy only matter if they are empathizing with you?


Luis12345LTS said :

Having a position of counter-argumenting the whole thread I think your position is strongly biased.
I do not work for Jagex, I don't stand to gain anything by defending them. You don't seem to understand bias. What you and Rob are doing is wrong , which Ill elaborate in the next section because it pertains directly to that.

Luis12345LTS said :

The events did occur and things are fuzzy.
These are the sensationalistic remarks that are untrue.
-"Jagex made the Gowers liars,"
-"Corporate greed has infiltrated Jagex"
-"Jagex's excuses were lies,"
-"They have betrayed their eldest customers"
-"backstab the very community "

Rob added them to get viewers, not to get credibility.

01-Sep-2018 07:28:15

Telcis

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Luis12345LTS said :
What we can do is open other people's eyes of perhaps a false impression they might have on Jagex.

Do it with fact, cite sources.

Otherwise, don your tinfoil hat and shout at the moon monkeys that are stealing your thoughts. Jagex deserves the same treatment as you do, because its made up of people.
So while you may want to invent or stretch what happened to make it easier for you to make a case. Think what would happen if someone did that to you.

01-Sep-2018 07:31:09

Telcis

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Luis12345LTS said :

Wow, lots of things wrong with this post.
Essentially, you need to learn how logic works.

If there is no proof, you cannot say for certain that they are, or aren't doing something. This is a mistake you have made consistently.

Just because you don't believe the reasons Jagex gave, does not mean they aren't real issues which Jagex did the right thing by addressing. Do some research into cases of old software being exploited, it may change your mind.

The best interest of Jagex includes the players, as we are their market. If we all stopped paying, there would be no profit and thus no Jagex.
So they do act in our best interest, because its also in their best interest.

If someone has committed suicide (cite your source), it is not fair to blame Jagex. There is underlying issues that would be present for an action like that.
Alternatively, if you are claiming someone committed suicide when it didn't actually happen.
Suicide is not a joke, you should not lie about it to further your cause.

01-Sep-2018 07:39:42

Luis12345LTS
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*Shrugs*
Telcis said :

Explicitly yes, they do enough. The Terms and conditions are linked at the bottom of every page on the website. They have not changed significantly since 2009 where there was a revisit to the rules. Which every player at the time was alerted to.

Maybe it was for some, not the case for all.
Telcis said :

...they are?

..They arent?
They have not spoken with us on a player or community basis so we end on better terms. Like for instance have this pet we made ages ago, costs us nothing. Or we made this awesome museum for you guys, or whatever.

Telcis said :
Do you think players would be very happy if an exploit was found that stole all of their credit card information and lost their accounts? Literally that could have happened 2006, 2013, 2016 can happen to any game any time. There are more ways to empathize than that fairly weak example.

Luis12345LTS said :
You don't seem to understand bias. *Cough* Au contraire, the one that doesn't seem to understand bias is you, taking a side is inherently biased. If you want to remain unbias, then I'd suggest maintaining a neutral aspect on things, which have done other players around the thread.

Luis12345LTS said :

What you and Rob are doing is wrong
Under perspectives what you have done is also wrong . You cannot place a right or wrong here as they are subjective.

Luis12345LTS said :

Responding directly below
-"Jagex made the Gowers liars," Ok so who's fault does it rely on? The dog? The Gowers left us that they would leave the game for us whilst we paid.
-"Corporate greed has infiltrated Jagex" Maybe its an exaggeration who knows really. For what I know they are extremely changed from 2004. There's MXT, there are investors, etc

01-Sep-2018 08:14:49 - Last edited on 01-Sep-2018 09:18:03 by Luis12345LTS

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-"Jagex's excuses were lies," They threw in that bugs and game glitches all of a sudden mattered so thats oddly weird
-"They have betrayed their eldest customers" Hasn't been proven otherwise.

01-Sep-2018 08:18:59 - Last edited on 01-Sep-2018 16:54:28 by Luis12345LTS

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