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Telcis

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Rob, that's a nice story. But how can anyone tell if its just a story, or a true story?
I'm not doubting that you may have evidence, but so far that is not it.

Also, your posts suggest that this happened in 2012. Which is after some information that I have found which suggests RSC is unsupported (2011).
Therefore, Jagex has not done anything wrong by NOT fixing the economy.
I'm trying to find the exact date/newspost where they state its unsupported.

Mod Balance said on reddit 2 years ago regarding the crystal chest bug:
"Honestly though - RSC is unsupported, so when it breaks, it breaks. It's old code running in an old environment and our teams are busy doing other stuff. It sounds like something we'd have to look at getting fixed in someone's own time outside of work."

15-Aug-2018 23:46:57

Rob
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Telcis said :
Rob, that's a nice story. But how can anyone tell if its just a story, or a true story?
I'm not doubting that you may have evidence, but so far that is not it.

Also, your posts suggest that this happened in 2012. Which is after some information that I have found which suggests RSC is unsupported (2011).
Therefore, Jagex has not done anything wrong by NOT fixing the economy.
I'm trying to find the exact date/newspost where they state its unsupported.

Mod Balance said on reddit 2 years ago regarding the crystal chest bug:
"Honestly though - RSC is unsupported, so when it breaks, it breaks. It's old code running in an old environment and our teams are busy doing other stuff. It sounds like something we'd have to look at getting fixed in someone's own time outside of work."


¯\_ :) _/¯ As was stated earlier, those who don't want to believe don't have to believe, no sense in me trying to go back and forth.

This happened throughout 2011, we finished up our investigation in 2012 I believe.

Yes, Jagex has changed their stance from "Unaltared" to "Unsupported" around 2013 if I'm not mistaken.

16-Aug-2018 00:03:59 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2018 00:12:06 by Rob

Luis12345LTS
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To add onto things for OT if I'm not mistaken behind it being Unaltered is still to have duties for example bot bans and stuff. To how I encountered history back in 2010 and had people witnessed is that bot banning hadn't been observed to be the case (properly speaking after Mod Dave retired/left in 2009) which 2010 still was a year in which Jagex should have complied to have been checking on those things and giving followup on the project. By 2012 I can imagine people had already developed methods to have been dealing with them which I appreciated. People dealing with bots however should not have relieved Jagex of the responsibility (or made them feel that way), just as if someone develops a way to deal with OSRS bots that does not mean they should stop looking over the problem.

The thing here having also going is why all those many things were not done right. Like said on the first pages people were on the belief of RSC running for as long as they paid. I don't recall certainly when was the switch to them call unsupported on purpose, as it wasn't in 2012 and I don't know how formal it was but many missed on that. We know they - being a company - can do the changes they want but that does not mean they cannot just leave things in the air and not follow on them.

16-Aug-2018 01:04:45 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2018 01:07:10 by Luis12345LTS

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There was a whole thread about people begging jagex to ban obvious botters on the RSC subforum.


That screenshot on the prior page with us at the necromancer's tower, we were force spawning zombies which causes a glitch in how the game handles NPCs. The glitch broke a ton of combat bots, and we saw botmakers post on the RSC forums about experiencing issues with the game. Hilarious.

So yeah, Jagex didn't provide any support, nor did they ban any cheaters or abusers on classic for ages. Unsupported indeed.
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16-Aug-2018 07:12:14

Telcis

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Rob said :

¯\_ :) _/¯ As was stated earlier, those who don't want to believe don't have to believe.

Yes, Jagex has changed their stance from "Unaltared" to "Unsupported" around 2013 if I'm not mistaken.
Sure, we can choose to believe or not believe it, but its not grounds to slander or accuse anyone.


But then again, all of those accusations are moot if Jagex announced the game was unsupported before this happened. The earliest time I have seen it said (so far) was Mod Dowd in 2011. You can find the screenshot of the forum post on RS wiki in their classic page. As well as a few other sites.

16-Aug-2018 09:35:20

Luis12345LTS
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If you mean by this image



where supposedly it was announced that it was going to be unsupported is not explicitly said as such - instead only that they, like years before, wanted to be putting more effort on RS2. I've asked an old professor of mine if it could be inferred that they meant unsupported and he said not necessarily.

Again like said earlier it was mysterious that no big impact was done on bot handling between 2009 (after Mod Dave was no longer with Jagex) and 2011 and what I don't get is if you are having an investigation underway you should not just clear it like that.

I frankly see mysterious why Mod Dave posts were taken away just like that particularly when he had been getting good things done for the RSC community, makes it seem as it would be opening the road for bots to enter and with the statement on 2011 would make it seem the enabler that opened for the incident of 2012.

16-Aug-2018 17:09:08 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2018 17:34:29 by Luis12345LTS

Telcis

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I've done a fair bit of searching in the news posts and whatever Google can find about announcements.

Nothing concrete for when RSC became unsupported, but if we were to use updates done during work hours then RSC was unsupported shortly after 2004 when RS2 was released.

There have been comments throughout the years, which suggest that the updates done to RSC were personal projects done by Jmods.

Therefore, if RSC was unsupported at the time of Robs accusations, its not unreasonable for Jagex to do nothing about it. Furthermore, its unlikely that Jagex wouldn't have looked at legal action for on of their staff undertaking actions that Rob suggests.
Which is why its not been seen in the public domain.

19-Aug-2018 02:23:05

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Sucks to be us.

Unless there's a big demand for it to be re-opened (which there isn't) then it won't happen.

I wish it hadn't closed but it is what it is. The main thing you can do is vote with your wallet. I cancelled my membership as soon as the closure was announced and have no intention of even playing OSRS or RS3 again considering Jagex's attitude towards RSC (and FunOrb as well; that was abandoned).

We all tried for years to get Jagex to do something about RSC and they didn't and ignored us and now here we are.

None of us like it but maybe we'll all just have to move on and let RSC live on in our memories. Meh.

23-Aug-2018 22:47:42

Jaekob Caed
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Support. Jagex lost all of my respect because of their actions this past year. While I see that some of it may be due to the whole Jagex Partners thing and upcoming projects, it still doesn't excuse the way they're acting. It makes me really nervous about the future. I mean, what if Jagex decides to shut down RS3 because OSRS has a higher number of players, despite the fact that there are a lot more bots on OSRS? Or vice-versa because RS3 is the game making them the most money?

It's not a good situation by any means. ~
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