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Rob
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Telcis said :
As an existing pre-2002 player. I can agree that Jagex made the right choice in closing down RSC.

As it would hurt Jagex and us, the players if:
-the game broke and couldn't be fixed.
-security flaws became exploited putting the customers at risk.

Games don't "break". Code doesn't "break".

The game was fine, and the reasoning was lies. That's all there is to that.

Game security and copyrights were updated days after the announcement of the closure. Prior to that, the last security update was 2015. I found/still find this especially odd.

Perhaps their plan was to update the security and copyright to be able to eventually wash out the Classic private servers (that have literally thousands of players, might I add).

A look into the Classic private servers show what Jagex could have accomplished with the game. It's too bad they choose not to do so, the game is still so much more popular than your average RS3/Osrs think.

12-Aug-2018 18:06:21

Telcis

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Security exploits are found, look at windows XP. After it was not supported by Microsoft, an exploit was found by CIA or NSA to backdoor windows XP.
Microsoft had to patch that unsupported version because of the potential damage that such an exploit could cause. Jagex is nipping this in the bud before such exploit can be found or used.

Just because you don't understand or agree with the reasons, they are not lies unless you can prove it. Which you cant.

At this point it almost seems like a child's tantrum when you take a toy away.

12-Aug-2018 22:58:32

Luis12345LTS
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Telcis said :
Security exploits are found, look at windows XP. After it was not supported by Microsoft, an exploit was found by CIA or NSA to backdoor windows XP.
Microsoft had to patch that unsupported version because of the potential damage that such an exploit could cause. Jagex is nipping this in the bud before such exploit can be found or used.

Just because you don't understand or agree with the reasons, they are not lies unless you can prove it. Which you cant.

At this point it almost seems like a child's tantrum when you take a toy away.

We know the issues were potential but in case you didn't read before they chose being careless on (there is proof that we had not a single jmod dedicated to the project after they took the one of two jmods assigned over). Let me put things clearer than water. Imagine I am selling tickets to a concert (reserving on the back 5 for VIPs) you come and I tell you we are sold out. That isn't lying but at the same time isn't saying the full story of things, in this case that the the rest of the tickets are reserved to VIPs. So you are just the only one thinking that we think that are lies, while in fact we consider there are other motors which are not being said.

Or it seems like some destroying a village wanting to make new buildings.

12-Aug-2018 23:40:02 - Last edited on 12-Aug-2018 23:41:14 by Luis12345LTS

Xavathos
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If you want to make a solid point, Rob, do so honestly.
I understand how you feel, but your bias shows shamelessly in your posts.

It's generous of you to offer to pay for their server, but that's not how it works. There's various legal reasons that they can't allow this. You're not an employee and you're not a company they do business with. They're not going to give you any source code either, obviously.

You're also trying to put words in the mouths of JMods by altering their quotes, making what they said look not only different from their original context, but also bad in this case. Things said to you privately, might I add. That's plain slander, don't do that.

Like I said, I understand how you feel and your heart is in the right place, but your execution could use a little tweak here and there... Be the change you would like to see in the world.

13-Aug-2018 08:08:11

Rob
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Xavathos said :
If you want to make a solid point, Rob, do so honestly.
I understand how you feel, but your bias shows shamelessly in your posts.

It's generous of you to offer to pay for their server, but that's not how it works. There's various legal reasons that they can't allow this. You're not an employee and you're not a company they do business with. They're not going to give you any source code either, obviously.

You're also trying to put words in the mouths of JMods by altering their quotes, making what they said look not only different from their original context, but also bad in this case. Things said to you privately, might I add. That's plain slander, don't do that.

Like I said, I understand how you feel and your heart is in the right place, but your execution could use a little tweak here and there...

The conversations are all public on Twitter, you're welcome to check them if you wish.

Though I may come off as aggressive, the conversation between myself and the company has been 100% respectful on both sides. Specifically, Mod Ash has been a great help to the cause. He has gone out of his way to help where he can, and point me in the direction of other departments of the company that could help. I get the sense that he is unhappy himself with the decision to remove the game, though that's 100% speculation.

The question is: will our pleas get through to someone with the authority to do the right thing?

Telcis, for someone who claims to have played the game originally, I get the feeling you're the kind to exaggerate things a bit. If what you say is true, you're on the wrong side of the line, friend. Fight with us.

We are well aware Jagex had every right to do with their property as they wish. We are also well aware that it was morally wrong, and the execution of the end was enough to show us just how much the company doesn't care about the players that built their very foundation.

13-Aug-2018 15:50:51

Luis12345LTS
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Telcis said :
Luis12345LTS said :


What a terrible analogy.

You know the issues, Jagex made the call on their property. You don't have a say on that.
You have a say on whether or not you continue playing in the available games.

Sorry if the analogy made you see better the picture of things.

You know also they didn't care on. If a cinema starts just putting bad movies afaik paying people have a say, whats the word, um to give them feedback. You should clearly know that I'm not as coward as them on breaking promises, if I didn't have a promise to fulfill I would be immediately leaving unless they can end on good terms, something that hasn't happened.

13-Aug-2018 17:26:56 - Last edited on 13-Aug-2018 23:13:53 by Luis12345LTS

Telcis

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Jagex were very forthcoming with RSC.
Letting players know that it would be closed to new entrants.
Letting players know that it would no longer be supported.
Allowing players to still play the unsupported version while possible.
Giving players plenty of advanced knowledge that RSC would have to close down.

Looks to me like they did care, but the help you want isn't feasible.

13-Aug-2018 23:24:13

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