RuneScape Forum Archive | RSOF & FANSITES

Feb

2022

Jack Flac

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Team Skull said :
Jack Flac said :

The point is, they are both different platforms, and they each have their own set of rules, and their own basis on how those rules are enforced, which means we can't attempt to compare them on a topic type to topic type basis. It just doesn't work. We can look at overall statistics for comparison, but thats all we can look at.

Which as I said previously, using that logic we should compare RSOF to Dating Site forums, which what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Using raw numbers without context is at best misleading and intellectually dishonest at its worst.

You would HAVE to do topic type to topic type to get a more accurate result, but given that the meta discussions are more or less different from forum to forum, it'd be difficult, if not downright impossible, to compare and the outlier argument can be used to disarm any argument of "buh the topics r der even if it small! D:". Otherwise, it's a Red Herring and is a moot point.
We can't compare RSOF to a dating site, as the content discussed is nowhere near the same. We can however compare RSOF and the runescape reddit as they are both there to discuss the game. That is the point Winds is getting at, and which you are trying not to see.

What we can't do is compare on a topic to topic basis, as they have seperate rules. But because they are there to discuss the same subject, which is Runescape, we can compare, at the very least, overall data. Leader of The Enemy ||

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13-Jan-2017 16:59:17

Jul

2019

Wilf

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If jmods cite the forums being less active than reddit and as such a reason why they are active on reddit quite a bit then I think using the amount of posts made on the forums is reasonable to gauge how active the forums are. Also reasonable to then compare it to how many posts are made on reddit. If people are posting far more on the forums than reddit then I'd like to know what the jmods explanation is for not using the forums at similar levels.

A bump post on a clan thread is still a user using the forums isn't it?

13-Jan-2017 17:07:06

Aug

2008

Team Skull

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Jack Flac said :
We can't compare RSOF to a dating site, as the content discussed is nowhere near the same.

So if it's ridiculous to compare those two, then how is comparing Reddit and here not ridiculous, considering you've said multiple times now they're different? I sense some massive cognitive dissonance going on here.

Jack Flac said :

What we can't do is compare on a topic to topic basis, as they have seperate rules. But because they are there to discuss the same subject, which is Runescape, we can compare, at the very least, overall data.

Which as I said before, you can compare them as they more or less discuss the same thing, but it'd be difficult because of differing content between the two, which we go back to the previous question: What makes comparing the two not ridiculous, despite being different, while comparing two other platforms ridiculous for being different?

You're not helping your case here. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

13-Jan-2017 18:07:19

Aug

2008

Team Skull

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Wilf said :
If jmods cite the forums being less active than reddit and as such a reason why they are active on reddit quite a bit then I think using the amount of posts made on the forums is reasonable to gauge how active the forums are. Also reasonable to then compare it to how many posts are made on reddit. If people are posting far more on the forums than reddit then I'd like to know what the jmods explanation is for not using the forums at similar levels.

A bump post on a clan thread is still a user using the forums isn't it?

I like the cleverness in this post mate. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

13-Jan-2017 18:08:22

Feb

2022

Jack Flac

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Team Skull said :
Jack Flac said :
We can't compare RSOF to a dating site, as the content discussed is nowhere near the same.

So if it's ridiculous to compare those two, then how is comparing Reddit and here not ridiculous, considering you've said multiple times now they're different? I sense some massive cognitive dissonance going on here.
Not reddit the Runescape subreddit.
Team Skull said :

Jack Flac said :

What we can't do is compare on a topic to topic basis, as they have seperate rules. But because they are there to discuss the same subject, which is Runescape, we can compare, at the very least, overall data.

Which as I said before, you can compare them as they more or less discuss the same thing, but it'd be difficult because of differing content between the two, which we go back to the previous question: What makes comparing the two not ridiculous, despite being different, while comparing two other platforms ridiculous for being different?

You're not helping your case here. What we have is two platforms, whose intent is to discuss Runescape. You won't find a thread on US politics on the Runescape Subreddit, as it has nothing to do with Runescape, same as you won't find it on the RSOF.

What we are comparing is two platforms, whose intent is to discuss the game Runescape, and who have JMod interaction as Jmods. The Runescape Subreddit, is in all respects, a messaging board. A badly formatted and structured one, yes, but a messaging board none the less. The RSOF is a messaging board, just a better structured on than the Runescape subreddit. Both boards are there to discuss Runescape on, and both are places where one can interact with JMods as JMods. That is what we are comparing. Leader of The Enemy ||

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YOU

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13-Jan-2017 18:59:54

Aug

2008

Team Skull

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Jack Flac said :

Not reddit the Runescape subreddit.

I would have that thought that was a given given the context, but I guess some people don't understand nuance *shrugs*

Anywho, you yourself admitted they're different so they can't be compared, yet you go right to comparing them despite you saying yourself they can't be compared because they're different.

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As I said mate, there's some massive cognitive dissonance going on here. Whether it's accidental or intentional is up for debate, but the dissonance is there nonetheless. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

14-Jan-2017 07:04:22

Stoat King

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Is this discussion about which made up number is better going to lead anywhere useful?
Winds' argument works whatever the numbers as long as RSOF has SOME activity.
Besides, as reported in the last two pages, Mod Numbnuts says Reddit is more active, therefore is better, because shut up. I would bet he isn't crying himself to sleep over numbers.

For me, the point of this thread is qualitative. Its about the nature of things reported and the quality of the narrative. I suppose some might see it as a damning indictment. When I become a charity for the humourless, maybe I'll give those people some thought.
Regardless, its hilarious and very well written.

Measuring the things we have no access to, arguing about the nature of comparison, whether numbers have independent existence and their relation to Poppers third world is all very fascinating. Just not very relevant here, I feel.

The writing on the wall in the bible read 'Measured, Counted, Divided'.
Jagex's version seems to be 'Made up the numbers, mixed em up, did what we decided to do in the first place'. Hardly fertile ground for debate.

14-Jan-2017 07:53:50

Mar

2017

Windsofnight

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THIS IS NOT CONSPIRACY THEORY PART 2

It was suggested on a JMOD TIDBIT posted on 10.10 that research was done that concluded that there was little evidence to suggest the decrease in user activity is attributable from a reduced Jmod presence.

The following are a few user comments that were posted to a recent Reddit thread (26.9).

RSOF also hosts similar type comments. In light of the recent gold replies made to that thread it makes sense that those types of comments made on RSOF may have been missed when that research was done.

It does appear that that these off site users believe that the forums have been abandoned too & it appears to them that one of the reasons given for reduced usage on RSOF is the lack of Jmod presence on the forums.

Comments:

'From the outside, it's like the CM team is purposefully being negligent just so you can prove that the services are unpopular and thus scrap them. It's clearly the plan for the forums.'

'...when EDIT, EDIT, and EDIT were in the CM team it wasn't perfect but s**t got done and things went by smooth, then we got these two who can't even run their own f***ing website correctly and the whole thing spiraled down to the lava of the Tzhaar.'

'They won't change anything. J-mods just post here giving us the impression that they actually give a flying f**k about the Forums, Pmods and Fmods but it's all just a lie. Honestly at this point I'm surprised the RSOF is even open at all.'

'(Quotes: We aren't spending as much time there I am more than happy to admit that's the reason we spend more time here than the forums.) It takes like 30 minutes to reply to every single thread created in a day on the forums lol. Surely a JMod can do that? Isn't/wasn't EDIT job to be EDIT curator? Dude responds like once a week and just locks some random thread. Surely a JMod can be given the responsibility of going through the forums for half an hour a day.'

WHERE IS MY INGAME RSOF TITLE?!

14-Jan-2017 11:42:27

Mar

2017

Windsofnight

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'Your lack of real support for the forums is why people have been leaving it. Players at first do head to the forums for advice, I know you've seen requests for help on forums from new players. You just can't retain veterans on the forums right now because all of our work is gone after 50 pages and we'd have to spend ages converting our work to text format for forums just to see it expire. You can't retain content suggestions and feedback on forums because there's no respect for polling features, which means that ideas get buried under mountains of posts and popularity statistics are impossible to see. And you can't retain interest of players who want jmod responses, because jmods cannot post after work hours. These problems are as easy to fix as just allowing link posts, but if you don't try to fix the forums you'll never see engagement improve.'

'I do wish Jagex invested more resources on revamping the forums because clearly it's what people want.'

'I feel like this situation is very surreal. You guys are willing to do patch fixes on dead content minigames like FoG, but you use 'lack of engagement' as an argument when it comes to the forums that has 36k posts and 800 threads a week.'

'(Quote: We're not abandoning the forums!) A, you are abandoning the forums when you don't allow discussion about rule changes. Threads about j/fmod interaction are locked... There's a single thread for forums feedback open for one week after years of requests. And our threads with solutions for improving the forum rules don't get a jmod reply. B, you are abandoning the forums if you never fix core problems. When the forums are a mess, posting Q&A's and Dev Blogs and competitions on the forums as much as you want won't retain engagement..'

'It's a bit of a feedback loop though. The more you neglect the forums due to low popularity, the less popular it gets. I have a LOT of time and code invested into that platform. It's also home of CH support so..yeah.

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WHERE IS MY INGAME RSOF TITLE?!

14-Jan-2017 11:42:56

Mar

2017

Windsofnight

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Commentary

Ouch.

Hey, I get it, it is pretty easy to bask in the glory of no negative off site CM feedback since all of the time & effort is spent there. Jiminy crickets, they shouldn't complain about CM at all, right!

No wonder that type of feedback was a little hard to swallow.

But when it comes to RSOF & the perception the CM team is purposefully not giving the official website its due diligence then sadly you will get negative CM feedback for the simple fact that what is obvious to a user on one platform is also obvious to a user on another platform.

Hopefully that feedback will be included in the research file for future consideration. I suspect it will end up in file 13 though since it was so hard to swallow.

WHERE IS MY INGAME RSOF TITLE?!

14-Jan-2017 12:43:47