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Draco Burnz
Dec Member 2011

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Imagineering said :


In other words, I would like some evidence that the implementation of an upvote system would necessarily make the forums more toxic. I have provided evidence on the contrary by citing counterexamples.


Reddit says hi.

Imagineering said :


Secondly, how can you say the implementation of a like/dislike system will 'drive away what little life they have left'? Perhaps this easier method to see the general opinion of a posted idea would revitalize the forums?

Look at how much ppl dislike reddit due to its karma system.

So you want that sort of thing to happen here as well?

Im sure i can safely say that if it were, it would get more than a few ppl to leave this and the forums dont have many ppl left.
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20-Jul-2021 12:17:12

Imagineering

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2_Tron said :
What if someone starts to change of heart ... they move from like to dislike or dislike to like ... what than?
That's the point here! Let's take a large on-going thread like sailing, for example. This thread has been ongoing since 2014 and currently has >50+ pages of comments.

Sure, we could look through and read all the individual comments to get a general feel for the public opinion, but realistically no one is going to do that for such a large thread!

Here's where the quantitative data (i.e. upvote system) comes in. One could examine the like/dislike ratio over the course of weeks/months/years and determine how the general public's opinion has changed over the years.

Some who may have initially been against it may now see it as something that's necessary and vice-versa. We want these changes of opinion to be reflected in the form of quantitative data.

21-Jul-2021 02:22:51

Imagineering

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Draco Burnz said :
Imagineering said :


In other words, I would like some evidence that the implementation of an upvote system would necessarily make the forums more toxic. I have provided evidence on the contrary by citing counterexamples.


Reddit says hi.

Very strong argument; because a single feature that's not even unique to reddit is nevertheless present on the platform, it suffices to say the implementation of such a feature to the OSRS forums will cause it to devolve into an environment of similar toxicity.

This argument can be summarized as follows:

A = Bad
B is part of , or is present in A
C = Good
If B becomes part of, or is present in C -> C = Bad

Using the above reasoning you can argue any of the following:

A) Growing a mustache will cause me to behave like a tyrant.
B) Introducing a pet threshold system will cause OSRS to turn into RS3.
C) Attaching a hard drive from a slow PC to another will cause it to become slow.

Draco Burnz said :

Look at how much ppl dislike reddit due to its karma system.

So you want that sort of thing to happen here as well?

I already told you there isn't going to be any sort of karma system. There are two types of voting: on the basis of ideas, and on the basis of popularity.

I'm suggesting this upvote system purely on the basis of individual ideas. This means the following:

A) Absolutely no ranking of the user via karma, awards, coins, prizes, total likes, friends, etc.

B) Complete anonymity of users with regards to liking/disliking a suggestion.

C) Total thread likes/dislikes are hidden when examining a user's profile.

D) A requirement that any upvotes/downvotes need to be substantiated by an argument
and/or opinion.

E) A strict enforcing of the rules by forum moderators with regards to troll, derogatory, and
off-topic remarks. This is already done very well, in my opinion.

21-Jul-2021 03:03:27

Imagineering

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2_Tron said :

This made me laugh ...
Polls are a substitute for 'likes/dislikes' which won't interfere too much with ongoing discussions. They can be held at any moment strategically moving around a lot of debates/discussions or be held to trigger debates/discussions.
Putting 'likes/dislikes' to a thread will damage debates/discussions to an aimless existence.
If done correctly putting likes/dislikes won't damage debates/discussions at all. I already suggested a stipulation that the like or dislike will need to be substantiated by an argument/opinion.

There are two cases here:

A) Someone likes/dislikes the suggestion and provides a short comment that doesn't add much to the discussion.

B) Someone likes/dislikes the suggestion and provides a thorough and thoughtful response in hopes of providing meaningful contribution with regards to what's being suggested.

Scenario (A) would happen with/without the dislikes. The people who simply comment 'support', 'no support', 'next', etc. will unfortunately persist with or without this system present. As I said, this is unfortunately a problem of ignorance.

As with scenario (B), this won't happen any less frequently if this is implemented. Someone who has a thoughtful or strong point to make won't be satisfied with a simple like/dislike, so they'll still make the point they need to.

21-Jul-2021 03:12:00

Imagineering

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SushiCombo said :
I hate the like/dislike system as it reduces someone's opinion to the back of the line and sponsored nonsensical posts at the top of the conversation.

Leave it with no system like this to keep it more civil.
Hi Sushi,

Fortunately the Runescape forums are very organized with clear spaces for game suggestions, off-topic discussions, forum-related issues, customer service, etc. I don't believe the 'non sensical' posts will be at the top of the conversation (as it is on reddit)

Furthermore, the mods are very vigilant and show zero tolerance to derogatory remarks, personal attacks, troll comments, etc.

21-Jul-2021 03:15:15

Dong U Dead

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This has been brought up before, also by me.

I'd love a like button or a thumbs up button. You don't need a dislike button or any kind of negative button, just a positive one would be nice.

RSOF is nothing like Redit, adding a positive button still wouldn't make it anything like Redit!

Support for a positive, like or thumbs up button.
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21-Jul-2021 05:07:05

Archaeox
Dec Member 2011

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Imagineering said :

I've already addressed the point of alts upvoting their own posts in an earlier response by stating how they can already do that in a way.
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21-Jul-2021 06:26:00

Imagineering

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Dong U Dead said :
This has been brought up before, also by me.

I'd love a like button or a thumbs up button. You don't need a dislike button or any kind of negative button, just a positive one would be nice.

RSOF is nothing like Redit, adding a positive button still wouldn't make it anything like Redit!

Support for a positive, like or thumbs up button.
I've addressed a similar 'partial' support where there was agreement with the general idea but no desire for dislikes.

I believe a like-only system could falsely represent truly controversial opinions as popular, since the opposition would have no means of disliking.

As a compromise, I proposed that only likes will be displayed, but that there will be both a 'like' and 'dislike' option present. This would work as follows:

1) If the amount of likes exceeds the amount of dislikes, the number of likes would be shown
as the total number of likes minus the total number of dislikes.

2) If the amount of likes is less than or equal to the amount of dislikes, the number of likes
will be shown as zero.

What would you think of this modification?

21-Jul-2021 07:55:06

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