RuneScape Forum Archive | Likes and Dislikes to Forums

Nov

2003

A Cole

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Imagineering said :
A Cole said :
With comments, it's possible to find out if someone truly understood your suggestion. If you get a mere "No support" response, it's worth asking the question why they do not support it, and try to fire up a dialogue on how that "no support" can be turned into a "support".

With a simple vote system, it's not possible to do this. You will get a number of up/down votes with no comments as to why they've voted in that way. There's no way in telling if they've actually understood the suggestion, if they only support part of it, or if there's only one doubt in their mind which can be easily changed with a tweak to the suggestion.

Your objection is very similar to what 2_Tron brought up. What would you say about a stipulation that the upvote/downvote would be conditional on some sort of comment/argument backing it up? This I can get behind. As you say, it's a tool to objectively see the general feeling towards an idea at a glance.

I still believe it should be upvote only, and other issues already explained may still arise. However, a small addition like this should not drag the RSOF down to Reddit's level, which is what I was initially worried about when first reading this thread.

I suppose this thread is a great example of what we're talking about. On the face of it, there may have been a lot of downvotes / few upvotes based on preconceptions and experience of other voting systems. By talking about it, we can explain why we disagree with the topic and generate ideas that can work for everyone.

~A~

19-Jul-2021 13:44:28 - Last edited on 19-Jul-2021 13:45:01 by A Cole

2_Tron

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Imagineering said :
... What would you say about a stipulation that the upvote/downvote would be conditional on some sort of comment/argument backing it up? With a 'stipulation' this stipulation will be upheld as a substitute for 'like or dislike' meaning that the discussion about the subject will seize and better ideas/improvements will not emerge in the continuation of a thread.
There already are many examples present in The RuneScape Official Forums, let along in Websites & Forums, where players fail to discuss both sides of an idea because they wanna see it happen the way they have in mind.
Likes & dislikes are meaningless arguments not contributing to better suggestions/ideas.

19-Jul-2021 14:03:53

2_Tron

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Imagineering said :
I think it would be pretty cool if we could add a like/dislike option to forum threads and posts in order to see how popular/unpopular a specific idea is... What about threads about 'banned accounts - macroing - rants - off topic subjects - employees - moderators - EoC - trading - Jagex - treasure hunter' etc. etc.
... meaning most threads that often go downhill fast?

Your idea seems to limit itself to game suggestions not serving other parts of The RuneScape Official Forums.

19-Jul-2021 14:30:02

Nov

2006

Miles Prower

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I'm open to the idea of a 'Support' button but only within areas dedicated to game suggestions. A 'Dislike' button is not necessary; if somebody does not support an idea, they should state their case or they have the option of not posting at all. I would also like to see reactions implemented on any news post published by Jagex so everybody can view some quantitative data surrounding recent updates. Low on bank space? Click here .

19-Jul-2021 19:39:37

Dec

2011

Draco Burnz

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Miles Prower said :
I'm open to the idea of a 'Support' button but only within areas dedicated to game suggestions. A 'Dislike' button is not necessary; if somebody does not support an idea, they should state their case or they have the option of not posting at all. I would also like to see reactions implemented on any news post published by Jagex so everybody can view some quantitative data surrounding recent updates.

Thats the thing though, just because some might click this "support" button doesnt actually mean they care for the idea and might just be the OP's alts/clanmates/w/e trying to get the idea into the game.

So if ppl who dont support the idea have to state why, id say its only fair that the ppl who support should as well.

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19-Jul-2021 22:05:33

Imagineering

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A Cole said :
This I can get behind. As you say, it's a tool to objectively see the general feeling towards an idea at a glance.

I still believe it should be upvote only, and other issues already explained may still arise. However, a small addition like this should not drag the RSOF down to Reddit's level, which is what I was initially worried about when first reading this thread.

Glad you're on board (mostly)! I understand that a thread that garners a lot of dislikes may discourage a user from posting further ideas.

However, consider the following scenario: a user posts a very controversial thread that only 25% of users agree with. If this thread amasses attention due to the purely controversial nature and receives ~200 opinions, this upvote only system may mislead people into believing the idea is popular.

What would you say about the following compromise?:

In the case the total number of likes exceeds the dislikes, the number of likes will be shown as: total likes - total dislikes. On the otherhand, if the total number of dislikes exceeds, or equals the total number of likes, the number of likes will be displayed as 0. Dislikes will never be shown. What would you say to that?

20-Jul-2021 01:50:19 - Last edited on 20-Jul-2021 02:35:08 by Imagineering

Imagineering

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2_Tron said :
With a 'stipulation' this stipulation will be upheld as a substitute for 'like or dislike' meaning that the discussion about the subject will seize and better ideas/improvements will not emerge in the continuation of a thread.
There already are many examples present in The RuneScape Official Forums, let along in Websites & Forums, where players fail to discuss both sides of an idea because they wanna see it happen the way they have in mind.
Likes & dislikes are meaningless arguments not contributing to better suggestions/ideas.
Sorry, I'm not quite clear as to what you're saying here. Do you mean to suggest that players will type spam/nonesense in order to substantiate their like/dislike and not contribute further to the discussion?

If so, I agree it's quite possible that some will do that. Unfortunately, this is a problem pertaining to the ignorance of individuals, as opposed to a potential result of this suggestion.

As you have stated, this occurs in many forums at the present moment, so this issue would persist with/without the proposed system.

The addition of like(s)/dislike(s) to the forums is not intended to replace thoughtful discourse, but rather provide a quick, quantitative summary of the general consensus with regards to game suggestions.

20-Jul-2021 02:03:48

Imagineering

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2_Tron said :
What about threads about 'banned accounts - macroing - rants - off topic subjects - employees - moderators - EoC - trading - Jagex - treasure hunter' etc. etc.
... meaning most threads that often go downhill fast?

Your idea seems to limit itself to game suggestions not serving other parts of The RuneScape Official Forums.
Yes, I'm keeping this suggestion focused on game/game-related suggestion(s). The idea is a short, quantatative summary of the general population's opinion on a certain idea.

Threads like 'banned accounts', 'macroing', 'rants', etc. largely pertain to an individual, so there is no sense in adding this system to those spaces.

20-Jul-2021 02:09:53

Imagineering

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Draco Burnz said :
The only way for this not to happen is to keep things the way they are.

So lets not make the forums any more "toxic" than they already are plz.

I mean they are "dead" for a reason and this might drive away what little life they have left.
Firstly, you seem to insist that the implementation of a like/dislike system will necessarily devolve the forums into a toxic environment. If this is the case, why do sites like StackOverFlow, Quora, IGNForums, etc. have very little toxicity? All the sites listed have some sort of upvote system (although not all have downvotes).

In other words, I would like some evidence that the implementation of an upvote system would necessarily make the forums more toxic. I have provided evidence on the contrary by citing counterexamples.

Secondly, how can you say the implementation of a like/dislike system will 'drive away what little life they have left'? Perhaps this easier method to see the general opinion of a posted idea would revitalize the forums?

20-Jul-2021 02:32:37

2_Tron

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Imagineering said :
A Cole said :
This I can get behind. As you say, it's a tool to objectively see the general feeling towards an idea at a glance.

I still believe it should be upvote only, and other issues already explained may still arise. However, a small addition like this should not drag the RSOF down to Reddit's level, which is what I was initially worried about when first reading this thread.

Glad you're on board (mostly)!

I understand that a thread that garners a lot of dislikes may discourage a user from posting further ideas.

However, consider the following scenario: a user posts a very controversial thread that only 25% of users agree with. If this thread amasses attention due to the purely controversial nature and receives ~200 opinions, this upvote only system may mislead people into believing the idea is popular.

What would you say about the following compromise?:

In the case the total number of likes exceeds the dislikes, the number of likes will be shown as: total likes - total dislikes. On the otherhand, if the total number of dislikes exceeds, or equals the total number of likes, the number of likes will be displayed as 0. Dislikes will never be shown. What would you say to that?

This made me laugh ...
Polls are a substitute for 'likes/dislikes' which won't interfere too much with ongoing discussions. They can be held at any moment strategically moving around a lot of debates/discussions or be held to trigger debates/discussions.
Putting 'likes/dislikes' to a thread will damage debates/discussions to an aimless existence.

20-Jul-2021 10:00:47