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Imagineering

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Archaeox said :
Imagineering said :

I've already addressed the point of alts upvoting their own posts in an earlier response by stating how they can already do that in a way.
Just because someone can climb in through a window, doesn't mean you have to leave the doors open wide for them.

Two points:

1)

Commenting on a thread, as opposed to liking, would not be so much more difficult as to
pose some sort of bottleneck when it comes to fluffing posts.

The difference between clicking on a thread and hitting a potential like/dislike button, versus scrolling to the bottom of the thread and typing 'support' or 'no support', is in the matter of a few seconds.

2)

Due to other objections, the proposal has been modified to include a stipulation that any like/dislike would need to be supported by an argument/opinion.

As a result, it would be at least as difficult to fluff a post under this modified suggestion, as opposed to the current system.

21-Jul-2021 08:12:25 - Last edited on 21-Jul-2021 08:13:23 by Imagineering

Dec

2011

Draco Burnz

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Dong U Dead said :
This has been brought up before, also by me.

I'd love a like button or a thumbs up button. You don't need a dislike button or any kind of negative button, just a positive one would be nice.

RSOF is nothing like Redit, adding a positive button still wouldn't make it anything like Redit!

Support for a positive, like or thumbs up button.

One of my anime site Crunchyroll only allows for upvotes on comments and i never understood it.

Why must ppl "agree" with something if dont like what said person said?

So if theres going to be an upvote there needs to be a downvote as well for logical reasons.

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21-Jul-2021 12:28:28 - Last edited on 21-Jul-2021 23:36:52 by Draco Burnz

Dong U Dead

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Draco Burnz said :
Dong U Dead said :
This has been brought up before, also by me.

I'd love a like button or a thumbs up button. You don't need a dislike button or any kind of negative button, just a positive one would be nice.

RSOF is nothing like Redit, adding a positive button still wouldn't make it anything like Redit!

Support for a positive, like or thumbs up button.

One of my anime site Crunchyroll only allows for upvotes on comments and i never understood it.

Why must ppl "agree" with something if dont like what said person said?

So if theres going to be an upvote there needs to be a downvote as well for logical reasons.
Because there are people who will down vote just for the hell of it, because they don't like the author, come in with Alta and friends just to down vote. There are a lot of trolls and hateful people that do this type of thing.

If fat means flavour then I'm ******* delicious!

22-Jul-2021 03:02:36

Dong U Dead

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I've come across threads and other posters and myself just can't understand why people down voted; in these particular videos there was no need for it; you can tell they are trolls.

If fat means flavour then I'm ******* delicious!

22-Jul-2021 03:05:14

Dong U Dead

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Imagineering said :
Dong U Dead said :
This has been brought up before, also by me.

I'd love a like button or a thumbs up button. You don't need a dislike button or any kind of negative button, just a positive one would be nice.

RSOF is nothing like Redit, adding a positive button still wouldn't make it anything like Redit!

Support for a positive, like or thumbs up button.
I've addressed a similar 'partial' support where there was agreement with the general idea but no desire for dislikes.

I believe a like-only system could falsely represent truly controversial opinions as popular, since the opposition would have no means of disliking.

As a compromise, I proposed that only likes will be displayed, but that there will be both a 'like' and 'dislike' option present. This would work as follows:

1) If the amount of likes exceeds the amount of dislikes, the number of likes would be shown
as the total number of likes minus the total number of dislikes.

2) If the amount of likes is less than or equal to the amount of dislikes, the number of likes
will be shown as zero.

What would you think of this modification?
People that support are less likely to troll up votes. The same can't be said for down votes.

If fat means flavour then I'm ******* delicious!

22-Jul-2021 03:08:28

2_Tron

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Imagineering said :
2_Tron said :

This made me laugh ...

Polls are a substitute for 'likes/dislikes' which won't interfere too much with ongoing discussions. They can be held at any moment strategically moving around a lot of debates/discussions or be held to trigger debates/discussions.
Putting 'likes/dislikes' to a thread will damage debates/discussions to an aimless existence.

If done correctly putting likes/dislikes won't damage debates/discussions at all. I already suggested a stipulation that the like or dislike will need to be substantiated by an argument/opinion.

There are two cases here:

A) Someone likes/dislikes the suggestion and provides a short comment that doesn't add much to the discussion.

B) Someone likes/dislikes the suggestion and provides a thorough and thoughtful response in hopes of providing meaningful contribution with regards to what's being suggested.

Scenario (A) would happen with/without the dislikes. The people who simply comment 'support', 'no support', 'next', etc. will unfortunately persist with or without this system present. As I said, this is unfortunately a problem of ignorance.

As with scenario (B), this won't happen any less frequently if this is implemented. Someone who has a thoughtful or strong point to make won't be satisfied with a simple like/dislike, so they'll still make the point they need to.

The only thing you are after 'Imagineering' is getting up a system which displays the amount of 'likes/dislikes' and for the rest you don't care a hood what is or will be discussed, you're interest is which side gets the most and that legalize your idea to be taken on board or not.

'
NOT going to happen
'

22-Jul-2021 09:58:47

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2018

SushiCombo

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Imagineering said :
SushiCombo said :
I hate the like/dislike system as it reduces someone's opinion to the back of the line and sponsored nonsensical posts at the top of the conversation.

Leave it with no system like this to keep it more civil.
Hi Sushi,

Fortunately the Runescape forums are very organized with clear spaces for game suggestions, off-topic discussions, forum-related issues, customer service, etc. I don't believe the 'non sensical' posts will be at the top of the conversation (as it is on reddit)

Furthermore, the mods are very vigilant and show zero tolerance to derogatory remarks, personal attacks, troll comments, etc.

It's certainly not the moderation that will be the issue. It has always been a flawed system that trolls benefit from the most.

Let's not add unnecessary things to these forums.

22-Jul-2021 12:59:56

Imagineering

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Dong U Dead said :

People that support are less likely to troll up votes. The same can't be said for down votes.
SushiCombo said :
It's certainly not the moderation that will be the issue. It has always been a flawed system that trolls benefit from the most.

Let's not add unnecessary things to these forums.
Trolling in game forums can be boiled down to two major factors:

A) Poor moderation.
B) The ease at which one can 'troll'.

For point A, I think we can all agree the mods on these forums do an excellent job of enforcing the rules and have zero tolerance for trolls. You even stated this yourself, Sushi.

As for point B, this could be a very valid concern with a regular like/dislike system. However, in the modified proposal likes/dislikes will be tied to your comment (i.e. you need to comment first in order to like/dislike). This means the following:

Let N be the amount of time (seconds) it takes to write a 'troll' comment and let P be the amount of time (seconds) it takes the troll to like/dislike. In either the current system or the proposed system, it would take the troll at least N seconds to do his/her job; trolling wouldn't be any easier.

Therefore, any concern regarding point B, in actuality pertains to the ease at which one can currently respond to a thread.

23-Jul-2021 00:48:06 - Last edited on 23-Jul-2021 01:56:16 by Imagineering

Imagineering

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2_Tron said :
The only thing you are after 'Imagineering' is getting up a system which displays the amount of 'likes/dislikes' and for the rest you don't care a hood what is or will be discussed, you're interest is which side gets the most and that legalize your idea to be taken on board or not.

'
NOT going to happen
'
The problem is you're seeing a like/dislike as something separate to a comment. The idea being that this more 'tempting' option will be used instead of rational discourse, thus diluting the discussion. In most platforms this is true and not a point of contention.

However, the proposal has been modified in such a way that a like/dislike now depends on a comment. This means that a like/dislike can no longer be thought of as a separate entity to a comment, but rather a comment manifested into a quantitative form.

Here, a like/dislike is only as strong as your comment.

One who comments a clear troll, derogatory, or filler remark will have his/her comment removed (as it is currently), and (by extension) the like/dislike.

Others who write short, uninformative and vague responses will continue to do so with/without the system. If your grievance is with such people, I suggest you make a thread asking that such comments be removed. This is a separate issue.

23-Jul-2021 01:16:04 - Last edited on 23-Jul-2021 03:33:59 by Imagineering

Dec

2011

Draco Burnz

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Dong U Dead said :

Because there are people who will down vote just for the hell of it, because they don't like the author, come in with Alta and friends just to down vote. There are a lot of trolls and hateful people that do this type of thing.

???

Like ppl cant troll with comments? Where yours idea about disabling comments to ppl who only agree with you?

Point is invalid.

If theres going to be any of this type of system, it has to have both sides.

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23-Jul-2021 05:22:31 - Last edited on 23-Jul-2021 05:23:15 by Draco Burnz