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Treemaid said :

Mistii,
'Hatred aid'? :o Let's hope I never come to that! Lol!

Ah, thought it was something to do with you and directories. Actually, I wasn't really talking about a directory for threads that are in this forum anyway, I meant for other 'significant' threads throughout the forums, such as the sticky in EGC that Sookie referenced for 'quick tweak' game suggestions. I wonder if anyone's got a directory going for those kinds of threads?

Oo
Coincidence, but I have one started, which gathers together all Minigame and D&D + other Activities discussion and content/ideas suggestions; it's not a conventional directory, as it is also there to provide the finished arguments for/against all ideas, so that they can be presented in one clear format, and take that burden from the individual thread runners, allowing them to spend more effort on keeping the discussions going. All the quick ideas are further sepperated, so that they are easily found.

It's still very much a work in progress, only just starting up, and will probably change completely in overall format, a few times, as it needs to be easy to use, so I'll need to wait for feedback on how to improve it.

AOROX has a Directory for the Minigames and D&Ds section, which lists all the usefull threads and Chats for all things (as long as they are Forum rule compliant).

Miss Misty said :

Treemaid,
There is someone that has got thus thread already made. I will search for the link for you tomorrow, I definitely know it has been made though, a very exhaustive list

Ollivander has one of those, but I recall seeing another, too; I think it was um.. the name Rainbow Wizzard springs to mind, though I know that isn't it.. I hope it will play out of uirisma, soon.

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Windsofnight said :

One of the issues with providing a list of recommended threads or directing other forum users to use certain threads to post their feedback on via either a link or qfc's is that sometimes those links and qfc's are not updated and end up being to threads that are no longer available or are no longer being used. This occurs on both Jagex and player written sticky threads.

I wonder if Forum Help would be a way to get threads by J-Mods, who have either left, or not updated the information on a stickied thread for Years, could be prompted. Allowing that as an extra route to reach, would be usefull, as there are no doubt a few arround, some of which have had many posts pointing out the misinformation.

Also, perhaps a way of solving some of the problems (if the OP is busy for a long period, for whatever reasons, then they cannot always read through all the posts on their thread, so may miss people pointing out dud links et.cetera.) would be if they made sure that a back-up person were to post a reserve directly after their own closure of OP; that person could then make sure that any notifications of duds were transferred to there, allowing the OP to see them easily, and update in shorter periods of free time.

This could also allow those reading the thread, to see what the new link should be, if the OP is unable to be online at all.

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I'm at a bit of an impasse where it comes to one idea, which straddles the forums and in-game. This idea would aid a few of my other ideas, one of which I will bring up in detail later on in these posts.

Where in the forums would I suggest the re-instating of the in-game link to the Forums? (like the one which was previously on the gamebar).

I think it may have to go in New Game Content - Suggestions; though it really relates to the Forums more, with regards to the reasoning..

..Continued below..

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I think this allowed for greater promotion of the Forums, as I know many game users who have never visited the Main/Homepage since their first day; going thereafter by the url for the game (either by favouriting it, or from the dropdown bar).

There are many other people who rarely visit the site, and only use certain areas, when they do, such as the Wiki, or the News sections.

The Forum link, in-game, meant that all people could see that there were RSOF, and that they could be easily accessed (I have met one person who was under the impression that Rune HQ Forums were the RSOF, considering how much better the RSOF are, I think JAGEX should be preventing such misaprehensions, and promoting their wonderfull resource !).

[ - Off, but linked, Topic: I have had similar gripes, in the past, about when they removed the Knowledgebase from the in-game links (though they removed the Knowledgebase entirely, some time after), along with the Rules link (something that made helping people, and preventing people from breaking the rules, a lot easier). - ]

I know that there are other, JAGEX supported, resources, which are not linked in-game, but I maintain that the RSOF are the best of these, allowing for long discussion and preserved debate, in an easy to navigate surround.

Ships haven't disappeared, just because planes exist; ships still allow much more to be carried arround, and they are still where you left them ! (doesn't really make sense in English, but it's a nic pun before translation :c I can't think up any good keenings to make the essense transfer properly, yet).

Along with promotion, such a thing would allow for greater seccurity - something JAGEX have stated (and made evident) a wish to prioritise:

The button allowed instant, logged-in, access to the Forums. Now, you have to logg in by one of two ways:

• A drop down logg-in application.
• Clicking to open up account settings in another tab.

Continued...

05-Nov-2013 20:53:38

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The first of these has no indication of it being seccure, without checking the source code.. which is a very long rigmarole, and not something I suspect everyone has the time to do.. ('not necessary' to do, but it's still a risk, albeit infinitesimal).

The second, I had to put to open it in a 2nd tab, because I have tried to get it to come up with the cert by the normal clicking (tried 5 browsers, tried on various computers, to make sure it was in no way linked to anything at my end; friends tried it, too) and it doesn't show if you just click, so the guidance to 'always check the address bar' for the cert, is either going unheeded, or people are all having to open it up in sepperate tabs to see whether it is the genuine site.
(hovering mouse over the link, for URL, and checking the URL is, according to a friend who works in computer seccurity, not sufficient; though they don't respond to pokes for reasons why.. so I may have been misunderstanding them).

All these things are minor, where seccurity is concerned, but they must all affect some people, or have the potential to do so; that is why I'd like to see the re-instatement of an in-game way to access the Forums, along with such a button encreasing traffic, utility, and usefullness of the Forums in themselves (more traffic = more people to contribute helpfull things = they are more usefull = more people will use them as a resource. The reason why that will work continually on a Forum-style rescource, is because they are well maintained, and won't get out of hand).

I think that it would probly have to be put in the Lobby area: Though this disheartens me, due to it being more hidden, having it in-game would add to clutter, even under the new interface, and putting it under one of the drop-down menues from the Menue Ribbon, would only make it equally hard to find..

Perhaps multiple places : D ?

Anyway, that's not the idea I am posting, but would help with the idea for more Forum promotion, when I type it.

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I'd just like to say that Windsofnight would love it on the clan forums I use :p

Though the problem would be in it being 95% not in English.. the discussions on there are very in-depth, for many things. I know I had to make a limit on my threads there to prevent any single reply going over the equivelent of 45 A4 pages (including diagrams), which should give some idea of how much some of us like to ramble; the reason for that being that I can't really reply to more than 1 of those in a day, so it becomes hard to respond to everyone.

(not all of us are like that, but there are a good few who will practically go into thesis, if you so much as ask them how they are :p)

I love areas in these forums with long discussions, and I probably ramble exessivel*, even here, though I do try not to !

Before getting to my post, I will just go and look up the directory thread, if it's still arround, and make sure I'm not needed at GOP. I should also get some sleep; but I'll be back to post in about 3 hours, I hope : D

^reset that timer, I've still not gone yet.

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The basic idea, is for some form of Forum of The Month scheme.

I know that, before, there were highlighted thread, on the RS Homepage, which are now nolonger with us..

My thoughts do have a specific thing in mind, but it's really as basic and open as the opening sentence, as I know I have little ability in the way of comming up with good ideas, my idea would probably have to be completely redone, down to that level, anyway; but for the thinking I've put into it so far, what I've come up with are a few versions of one idea:

I can get this accross more easily, if I outline the aims which this medule wishes to acheive:

Aims:

Firstly, this is to promote the RSOF as a whole, I believe they are (compared to their worth, both present and potential) a very underused and indeed poorly known resource. This need redressing, and promotion of things in RuneScape has always taken the same paths; these I will investigate as avenues, whilst going through the ideas.

Secondly, it is to highlight all aspects and areas of the Forums, for their diverse and intrigueing values; many of which are also underrated and underused (even if not, then they could still have more use from those who are not yet aware of them).

we have a very valuable resource here, and should be looking to optimise the way we bring people in, how they percieve it, and how they can use it; the latter parts are already being taken care of, by the excellent work of people who make it their duty (players and FMods alike), and those who do their job well, but the lack of the former thing, makes me bewail the situation.

...Continued..

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I have rambled on about this in the Forum Improvements thread, over the last week or so, but I think the nub of the issue is, that most people I've come accross in-game do not seem to know about the RSOF, have the wrong idea about it, think it's something/somewhere else, or don't know how to get to it (many don't have the patience to find out, if it's not a 1-click action, even if they may eventually find it and be avid users, it's the initial action which is rulling out a lot of use).

That issue would, in part, be solved by the reintroduction of the Forum Button, as I have said earlier. The rest, along with those who already know and use the Forums, but tend to stick to just one or two sections, never using the rest, even when they could get the help they need there ( D: for example, the number of people I've come accross in the General section [and others, but this is just one example], over the Years [this isn't my only Forum posting account* who are avid Forumers, yet complain about Minigames being inacessible/unplayed [again, one example, there are parallels for other things], and cannot find anyone to play them, is astounding, when they could just pop over to the Minigames and D&Ds section of the Forums, and find multiple groups for many of the things; a search, using the Forumengine, would also yield several results), would possibly be solved, partly, by some form of individual Forum Section promotions.

Sorry, but GOP calls, and after that I will most likely have to go out to do some general odds and bobs.. so I likely won't get to complete this till tonight/merowakenining.

I shall link to whatever post I continue on, as I have enough space to add a link here; take care all, and apologies for cluttering up your thread with all this D:

... to be continued !

Looking something up for a friend, so may not get to finish this for a few hours, apologies :s

Sections to be included:
Non-competetive
Competetive.
Actual benefits and promotions.

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The way I have come up with, for fulfilling those aims, has the form of a Monthly promoting of individual Forum sections.

This would be in one of two forms (there are problems with both, but ways to get arround them can be found, hopefully, through discussion):

Non-Competetive:

This could be done on a rotational basis, each section having its own turn at being promoted.

Pros:

• This is a completely 'fair' system, in that every section gets its own time in the spotlight.

• It will avoid tensions between Forum sections, if this were likely to happen.
(no one would ever have the temptation to derail another sections attempt to become FOTM, though ways to overcome that under competetive systems will be discussed in the 2nd idea !).

• It avoids the various hastles (rules).

Cons:

• People have no way of getting their favourite section to be highlted any sooner.
- If somone who'd long been a strong memeber of a certain community, was away during the time 'their' section was FOTM, and they'd intended to do certain things to help with it, or highlight certain parts, then they would have to wait Years for that opportunity to come arround again.
- Similarly, somone just comming to a section, may be put off from contributing effort, if they knew it would achieve anything (I think there would still be the people who make effort now, but I don't wish to demotivate potential Forumers, even if they are the kind to be put off by not having gain to start with, they may turn into selfless contributers at a later stage, if they stayed: Not everyone starts off like that).

• It may get to be a forgotten/stale thing; though this may be, arguably, just as likely under a competetive format.

• It may be hard to fit new sections into this, or it may be decided that certain sections are exempt; in competition, they may have the chance to prove themselves, which it could be harder for them to do, in a closed system, to the extent of being inlcuded.

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Competetive

Each Month, a section of the Forums would be chosen to be FOTM, based upon how well run, maintained, and helpfull it has been. Most sections have fairly speciffic remits, yet within that, they may still have the ability to stand out, in being organised well, 'looking nice', and having a 'welcoming/pleasant atmosphere'.

Many of those things are very subjective, and that means that any judging pannel wich chooses the winning Forum sections, would have to be entirely impartial; that will be one of the main stumbling blocks, if this was to be a non-official thing; which needs investigating, to find sollutions.

This would have to be thought through, carefully, before it could be implimented, to assure that all sections have a fair chance of winning, if they are well run; I think they all are, but the 'winning' one would have to have gone that extra mile, to stand out.

It doesn't really solve the sollution of timescale, in that only one can be at the top, so it would be a slow turn arround (I will give suggestions for, and reasons for making it 2-3 sections, when I do the summing up), but at least areas would have the ability to bring about their time, sooner.

There would have to be a cooldown period, after a section has come 1st, so that they are not constantly hogging the limelight; that may be less necessary if it's more than one section, each Month, but there still need to be some limitations.

..Continued...

Must go now.. barely got any of this done :s but at least something was added, I think I should have time to finish this off, tomorrow, if I leave a few other things till the day after.

Thankyou for your patience ! : D

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Just gonna drop a comment here to see whether people think a reorder of the forum homepage is, in fact, in order? Moving NIS and HTML5 stuff down, as well as plucking the random OSRS forums out of the midst of a few of the EOC boards, down to somewhere near Classic? It seems more logical to me.
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