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2017

Windsofnight

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Ref: 19.2

Forum Help wouldn't be the correct venue to use even though an Fmod has the ability to escalate information on to a Jmod. Most likely a message would be left on the FH thread if you did use it to report an old sticky saying that the Forum Help thread was not to be used for reporting those types of things.

What I have seen occur is that a comment is either left on the old sticky, on a thread like this or some one creates a thread about the topic in hopes that those comments and/or threads are read and action is taken. Of course this may not appear to be the most efficient way to go about it because the feedback is dependent on first being read, then the information passed on and action taken. All areas that the end user has no control over. Acknowledgement that the feedback has been read & forwarded would also be a key component in allowing the end user to know that action might occur.

Tbh, probably the most efficient way to communicate would be to tweet.

There is good news though regarding this specific issue, the feedback was noticed, read, acknowledged and action is occurring. (Reference: Forums Tidy up by Nightspeed qfc 278-279-499-65181106).

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Ultimately even on a thread where the OP depends on other people to help out, the responsibility for maintenance of the thread would be their responsibility since they are hosting the thread. Indicating that you are too busy to read what has been posted, maintain or update the thread gives the appearance of not caring that people actually took *their* time to participate on the thread.

I think I have only seen one thread created that was formatted to include multiple op's on the first page in the regular forum and that was years ago. I don't use the clan's forums so I don't really know if that type of format is used there.

I agree that this type of formatting of the opening posts should be a consideration for group hosting of a topic.

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07-Nov-2013 15:05:06

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Windsofnight said :

Ultimately even on a thread where the OP depends on other people to help out, the responsibility for maintenance of the thread would be their responsibility since they are hosting the thread. Indicating that you are too busy to read what has been posted, maintain or update the thread gives the appearance of not caring that people actually took *their* time to participate on the thread.

I think I have only seen one thread created that was formatted to include multiple op's on the first page in the regular forum and that was years ago. I don't use the clan's forums so I don't really know if that type of format is used there.

I agree that this type of formatting of the opening posts should be a consideration for group hosting of a topic.

I agree about the onus being on the OP; though in cases when they have been running a thread for a long time, and then have to be away unexpectedly, they may wish to keep it opperating, and being usefull, without losing all the information/feedback on there by having it remade.

Sometimes a collective of people may decide that, together, they can run a thread that none of them would have had the time to do individually.

It is rare, but it can be good to cater for the unforseen..

With JAGEX stickies, this is less easily done, as they can edit eachother's posts, but sometimes stickies just go untended; I know it can't be easy for them to keep on top of all this, so perhaps them relying on somone to keep links updated in an after-post would solve that, partly..

07-Nov-2013 18:18:33

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I have seen a few multi-OP threads, mainly in the Events and Minigames sections of the Forums (a couple in EGC, too), and some seem to work fairly well, especially now that there are internal QFL available.

I have plans to remake one of my threads as that format, eventually. It would probably be 90-100 pages long (it's 88 atm, with just mine), and it's a lot to maintain (or even set up, in this case); part of its structure is relying on content from particular Communities: something which would probably be more adequately provided by the Community/group leaders/spokespersonages themselves, as that would allow them to update things whenever needed, right away, and not have to wait for my availability; it would also allow them to get more involved, and feel more part of the project (something I am trying to aim for).

The only problems there, are that any one of them dropping out (not being Forum-present) would appear to cause the need to remake the whole thread; that, however, could be catered for, by simply reserving a page at the end of the thread (wherever that may be at the time), with the replacement person's posts, and then changing all links in the contents to those pages (you could even request that the old ones are hidded, to avoid people comming accross outdated information).

~Murphy's Law has struck again, and the time set aside for continuing thing has been eaten by emergencies.. I'll do my best after getting some sleep, to complete things; apologies, once again.

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Mar

2017

Windsofnight

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Ref: 19.2,3, & 4:

'Where in the forums would I suggest the re-instating of the in-game link to the Forums? (like the one which was previously on the gamebar).' & 'The Forum link, in-game, meant that all people could see that there were RSOF, and that they could be easily accessed (I have met one person who was under the impression that Rune HQ Forums were the RSOF, considering how much better the RSOF are, I think JAGEX should be preventing such misaprehensions, and promoting their wonderfull resource!'

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There are several places where you could suggest this. A short reply on Sookie Lala's thread and a more detailed version by creating a thread in the New Game Content - Suggestion forum.

There is some indication that there might be a new forum dedicated to new players. The referenced thread indicates that Mod Matthe is working on ways on how best to engage with new players. Perhaps a mention of this on the referenced thread since access to forums via the game would be one way to promote that forum as well as promoting just how great RSOF is. Reference: 'New Forum Users Forum Section' by Sookie Lala qfc 278-279-114-64937830 (post 16.2).

To go into greater detail like you have here perhaps a thread in the New Game Content - Suggestions. I agree that would be the correct forum to use too and the FSR indicate that as well.

A thread that may be of interest before presenting the suggestion there is the 'Good Suggestion Guide' by Mod Crow qfc 185-186-980-60829426 that is a sticky thread in that forum. Gives you an idea regarding formatting and such. The guide is well written and very detailed.

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08-Nov-2013 14:00:52

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Thankyou again for your replies; it's good to know that others think that's covered by the FSR of NGC-S; last time I came accross an idea that was for non-direct in-game things, there was grumbling about it being there, so I didn't wish to cause problems.

I agree that that guide is helpfull, I think it could include a bit more, with regards to visual formatting, now that there are extra tools available, but that's not something important.

I recall a similar guide on the previous set-up, before the sections were split; though I wasn't using the English Forums so much, then.

I'll look at Sookie Lala's thread, too.

08-Nov-2013 20:00:17

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This post is a continuation of the idea left off here.

Pros:

• This will allow those who put in a lot of effort in their favorite Forum Sections, to encrease the likelyhood of the area they love being given more attention, and being of more use to the general playerbase.

• People can feel that what they do will make a difference, and is recognised (this can probably be achieved by the non-competetive way, too, if the Forum of the Month is highlighted in the correct way, and some thought goes into the way each section is promoted, when it is FOTM, to show that the section has been understood).

• Competition can spur further efforts, and make new people interested; again, this could be done in the non-competetive way, too, if done correctly.

• It will be obvious why that section is being highlighted, as it will be on top form.

• Any newcommers to the Forums, comming because of the promotion, would come via the best section on the whole Forums at that time, and hopefully have a great experience, encouraging them to use them more.

• Sections that are well run, and usefull, but little known, have the opportunity to show what they provide, and those that are not so good will have the time to try to get ready, before they get thrust forward.

• The sections who 'win' this, will have people in them willing to speak up for the sections, to make sure that the promotion is maximised, and the whole thing doesn't get gradually forgotten.

Cons:

• Not all rivalry is helpfull, and there may be some who take inapropriate steps to gain advantage - harder to do if this was 'officially run'.

• The rules/catagories would have to be either very varied and detailed, or extremely general, if some sections were ever to have a chance to win.

• The 'judging' pannel would have to be impartial, something that would be hard to achieve in a way that would be obvious to all, without it involving JAGEX.

...Continued...

08-Nov-2013 20:38:00 - Last edited on 08-Nov-2013 20:57:10 by [#8H61NVN5U]

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It's hard to sepperate these into sepperate pros and cons.. as most of them have points either way, or can be both.. thing like:

If this is done as a Community effort, and non-officailly, then it may attract more people if it is competetive, but then again, it may not :- some people would not wish to enter something they don't feel they have a chance of winning, but also, it may not seem worth it, if it isn't competetive, as there may not be the same ammount of incentive to promote things.

Sleep needed, I'm afraid; I knew I didn't have time to start this D: but maybe it'll be ok to just add small bits, now and then, till finished.

08-Nov-2013 21:01:25

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Hello

I just came back to the forums the other day and I immediately noticed a few brilliant examples of a problem that I've mentioned in the past.

Sometimes threads that are in the wrong section or violate minor forum rules are not locked or relocated. I understand why this happens, as sometimes a quicker and easier conclusion can be reached if a Forum Moderator answers the question raised in the thread instead of moving it to the correct section.

A problem occurs however when the life expectancy of threads is severely underestimated.

Someone may post in the wrong section to ask a question, a forum moderator may reply on the thread and then assume that the thread will die out naturally now that it has been answered. However, this is not always the case. Occasionally the thread will continue to thrive and build up more and more replies from non-FMods and FMods until it has become a full blown discussion. Yet still this thread is not in the correct section.

This problem can never be resolved due to the way forum moderation works. The more FMod posts a thread has, the harder it is for anyone to lock or relocate the thread.

There was a notable example of this some years ago when a rather confusing thread was created, and it received a Forum Moderator post very early on it's life. It later emerged that the thread definitely didn't belong in the section it was in, and also caused numerous problems. However, by the time this was discovered, half the FMod team had already posted on it, leaving them all powerless to relocate or action the thread.

That continued to cause drama and problems for the best part of a year. The first posting FMod was probably not expecting it to last more than a day when they responded to it initially.

Currently I can see two or threads which are already starting to cause a repeat of this problem, they have numerous FMod posts yet are indisputably in the incorrect section. I've reported them to F/H but of course nobody can move them. gone

09-Nov-2013 14:25:21 - Last edited on 09-Nov-2013 14:27:01 by Start 14 n-n

Apr

2019

Risk Wizard

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Matt Z - I know of the thread you're talking about and I'm seeing what we can do. We have threads on the forums that are discussing the same topic, so in all reality we could relocate the discussion(s) there.

In the meantime, continue your enjoyment on the forums and let us deal with the hassle of said threads. Retired

Greenie

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09-Nov-2013 16:11:03

Mar

2017

Windsofnight

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19.6,7,8,9 & 20.6,7

Ref: Forum Community Competition to showcase a specific forum section via the homepage.

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The overall idea is sound and it would probably be fun but the last paragraph on 20.7 '• The 'judging' pannel would have to be impartial, something that would be hard to achieve in a way that would be obvious to all, without it involving JAGEX' would be the reason why this idea would not be viable. Jagex would have to be involved and would have to have the final approval anyway and the judging panel would not be able to be impartial.

Sometime back Jagex tried to bring back something similar, where the community voted on specific threads to be showcased as a sticky thread. That didn't turn out so well, as a matter of fact, it turned into a disaster! It was such a big disaster that Jagex nixed it within a week of the competitions start.

One of the major factors that contributed to it becoming a disaster was because it was so obvious to everyone that the judging panel could not be impartial or even follow the rules that they set for the competition.

How about look at what Jagex is already doing and try to incorporate the idea of showcasing additional specific forum sections without the focus on a community competition.

I will post what I see when looking at the homepage that relates to Jagex's promotion of RSOF and specific forum sections on the next post.

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09-Nov-2013 19:08:02