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Ownage Omg

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Why are permanent bans on the forums not actually permanent? I have seen a number of people get permed over the years and they all return on alt accounts.
Fair enough if they've changed and are genuinely posting within the rules upon returning but there are still clearly a number of people who return and continue with their disruptive behaviour.

My solution is dead simple. If you (forum/Jagex mods) know that person is back on an alt just slap them with the ban hammer instantly upon breaking another rule and be done with it. That way people have a chance of redeeming themselves - but one more step out of line and boom another perm ban. If they continue to return continue with the same rule.
Right now I believe any alt is treated like a new account with the strike system which is counter intuitive if you ask me.

I bet most replies are gonna say "oh how do you know it's them though"
Honestly, it doesn't take a genius to analyse some text or recognise a username and put two and two together...

What are your thoughts on this? Would this kill the forums?
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08-Jul-2020 00:54:45

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i think it's worth risking what little forum activity is left if it means getting rid some of the trashy people around here. plus we'd probably see fewer threads that should just be google searches which is awesome. WAAAGH!!!

08-Jul-2020 04:26:55

Singularity
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Well, I'm glad that permanent bans aren't exactly permanent as I've had two permanent forum bans on this account (they were many years ago). If perm meant perm, I wouldn't have been able to post on this account again, which would've sucked.

That said, if people continue to disrupt and rule break on alt accounts after a perm on their main, then yes, they should be punished accordingly. You gotta have some sort of consequence for disrupting or else people will just abuse it.

Right now you can just rule break and nothing will really happen because you can just make an alt account and continue your path of disruption. People that want to disrupt likely have many alts and have no issue making others just to continue spamming or whatever it is they do on the forums.

Jagex don't care about the forums, so nothing will happen. People know this and that's why they don't really care.

Doing this won't kill the forums because they are already dead. They're just being held together by veterans that can't quite let go of the forums. If we all left, forum activity would drastically drop and then the forums would die. It's not truly dead yet because there is some activity, but considering the lack of new blood, it certainly feels like it's already dead.
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08-Jul-2020 07:13:29

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Ownage Omg said :
Why are permanent bans on the forums not actually permanent?...
What are your thoughts on this?
Would this kill the forums?
Every human individual has their good -/ bad moments. Nothing in life is permanent and Jagex is convinced, by experience, just like me, that bad things do happen but in time will be turned into good things.
That's one of the reasons why we do live on this planet. ;)

Seeing someone work towards a ban/permanent ban, a lot of players do seem to pass the thought, could that bad behavior be triggered by that person themself because of their mistake/misfortune or did someone/something else did trigger that behavior?

Being open-minded and self-conscious that nobody/nothing is perfect, it saves a lot of hassle and ultimately creates awareness by the said person that received the ban/permanent ban, that mistakes have been made and will be quashed in time once that person has shown the better part of themselves. This is the reason why you always can create a new account to continue enjoying RuneScape and play along.
Hate and punishment don't have this option thus destroy a community entirely.

It is a good policy and I hope Jagex can carry this on for as long as possible, into eternity.

Your suggestion is understandable but far-most futile as it only triggers hate/vengeance destroying The RuneScape Community and The RSOF/other Social Media.

08-Jul-2020 08:43:23

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I'm kind of iffy on permanent bans meaning permanent removal from the forums on sight. Over the past couple of years, I've known several people who returned to the forums on an alt after being permed on their main, and the overwhelming majority of them, I'd say around 90% of them, are far from a serious detriment to the forums. If anything, it's proof that forum strikes or forum bans are handed out too arbitrarily. It never made sense to me to be permed if your three forum strikes were several years apart.

But there are a select minority, who behave extremely disruptively, whose alts are banned extremely frequently. I think it's fine for the CM JMods to designate them a Community Safety Concern and undertake drastic measures to prevent their return to the forums :) .
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08-Jul-2020 13:53:14

Ownage Omg

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Singularity said :
Well, I'm glad that permanent bans aren't exactly permanent as I've had two permanent forum bans on this account (they were many years ago). If perm meant perm, I wouldn't have been able to post on this account again, which would've sucked.
In your case you got unbanned though. I'm referring to people who are permed but come back on alts to continue with disruption.
If someone gets unbanned then clearly there was some thought put into it because you're not circumventing the system to return.
Southeaster said :
But there are a select minority, who behave extremely disruptively, whose alts are banned extremely frequently. I think it's fine for the CM JMods to designate them a Community Safety Concern and undertake drastic measures to prevent their return to the forums :) .
This is more my concern with this thread. That's why I said if people come back on an alt and they're behaving well they should be given that chance.
Your idea for labelling people as a concern would work imo.
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08-Jul-2020 15:32:37

Archaeox
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Ownage Omg said :
Why are permanent bans on the forums not actually permanent? I have seen a number of people get permed over the years and they all return on alt accounts.

Ban evasion is already sufficient cause for another forum account ban, if deemed necessary.

This whole thread is therefore superfluous.
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08-Jul-2020 15:54:11 - Last edited on 08-Jul-2020 15:54:57 by Archaeox

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I was perm banned on what used to be my main account about 7, maybe 8, years ago.

I made this current account straight away so that I could continue posting on the RSOF and, in time, it also became my main playing account.

During the last 7/8 years I may have been scolded publicly once or twice but have never had a strike (to my knowledge). So obviously I think people should be given a second chance since they can and - in very many instances - do change their habits.

There are, however, some people who appear to view these forums as their playground, a trolling paradise, and whenever they resurface from their latest perm on a new account they carry on with their pointless unpleasantness or disruptive behaviour.

Irrespective of the small amount of positive input some of their posts may provide, the huge majority of their activity is of a negative variety and this, imo, far outweighs any good or neutral input they make.

Jagex have in the past removed a few such individuals as being a Community Safety Concern; a bit of a strange moniker perhaps but they have the means to do this and I believe they should employ it where they deem necessary.

The loss of these very few individuals over time will not, I feel, have much of an impact on the overall survival of the RSOF long term. Leaving them here to harass non-offending regulars/casuals will have a more detrimental effect than unburdening the resident population of a very few obnoxious individuals.
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