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Tranq
Nov Member 2007

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Dilbert2001 said :

I see the problem with User A. They just don't agree with the Fmod and they don't respect the FH procedure.

They were many situations I didn't agree with the Fmods, but I respected the FH procedure. The problem is the current FH procedure though. When there were FMR we could have Jmods to go over issues, but now we can only accept what FMod(s) told us so with anything within the forums. However, if things go way pass the line of the judgement of whoever handling the forums, then I still respect the rulings of the forums and don't argue with them, and take my issues to the other channels where they belong better.

So what change I think we need: bring back FMR.


The thing with FMR that nobody understood or chose not to was the fact that it wasn't there if you disagreed with the F-mods actions. It was there is the F-mods were in fact breaking the code of conduct. Which is what let to all the, when you did get responses of the f-mod was correct which just threw gasoline on a fire (enraging the person who reported the perceived slight to begin with).

Personally I have a rather dark humor and a think skin. There was alot of stuff here on the forums that I had to lock that I personally found quite entertaining. However the rules are the rules and I knew that when I signed on the dotted line that I'd follow.

Personally I always viewed the FMR thread as a bunch of toddlers screaming they stole my rattle. The only plus to it was that it was semi anonymous when posting. However as you could see the name of the last person who posted. You could kinda tell if they were reporting your actions.

As to the questions of the queries for clarification on forum help work or not. They do as it was a query made there about one of my posts that ultimately led to my down fall...

It's alright though I bear nobody any ill-will. However I always pictured my fall with far more grandeur. Oh well :)
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18-Sep-2023 16:18:26

Dilbert2001
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@Tranq

I have made another post after my post you quoted (Page 4, Post 9).

It should shed more light on what I think about FMR, or actually what I suggested is not exactly the old FMR but something like the opinion boxes all kinds of companies ranging from McDonald's to Federal Governments all have.

What the new "FMR" I suggest is not aimed for complaints against Fmods or what they did but far more on the constructive side of what I think is good for not just the players, but Jagex.

18-Sep-2023 18:04:15

Archaeox
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The reason FMR was removed was because Jagex staff weren't reviewing it.

There are even fewer CM staff now, so there's no point bringing back something that will just cause more aggravation in the community by being ignored again.
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20-Sep-2023 07:09:49

Tenebri
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going back to what the original post is saying


i think one main issue with "trolling" is that the word gets thrown around with no actual meaning.

ive seen many times people be in a heated discussion (both valid for their opinions) and one of them will say "you are just trolling here" when they clearly werent. it just seems people use the term "trolling" when its just "you disagree with my opinion"

if there were to be changes to the rules. the clear cut understanding on what trolling / flaming etc actually is, needs to be stated.

or its just criticism. which is 100% valid. again they get called troll, and now it goes off rails from that comment instead of it just being a regular forum discussion.

but from what ive seen when someone is legitimately trolling, fmods clear it to keep the forums dirt free. i dont know how op thinks the forums are super strict its far more relaxed than its ever been.
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21-Sep-2023 10:08:35

Abby Taylor
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@Tenebri

You can read my original post where I laid out the types of behaviors that trolls engage in, and what constitutes trolling behavior.

Flaming isn't the problem.
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22-Sep-2023 02:29:30

Tenebri
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Abby Taylor said :
@Tenebri

You can read my original post where I laid out the types of behaviors that trolls engage in, and what constitutes trolling behavior.

Flaming isn't the problem.


yes i know you did, i think you have misunderstood my post somehow

but im referring to if this was to happen
jagex
need to. and im sure it be different to your definition of trolling / flaming

i even posted right at the start referencing it

Tenebri said :
going back to what the original post is saying


and if trolling is an issue then so is flaming. if thats what you also think then my post also holds more water into needing proper definitions from jagex. ;)


personally i dont think there does need to be a change, but just voicing an opinion just in case it does.
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22-Sep-2023 23:51:19 - Last edited on 23-Sep-2023 00:01:01 by Tenebri

Dilbert2001
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"and if trolling is an issue then so is flaming. if thats what you also think then my post also holds more water into needing proper definitions from jagex. ;) "


Somewhat agreed with Tenebri. Actually flaming may be a bigger problem than trolling, especially target flaming, or in worse cases, group target flaming, is generally considered harassments under real world regulation. Real world regulations are of course the kind of proper definitions Jagex needing to abide to.

23-Sep-2023 19:23:21

Roddy Piper
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Using real words would definitely help.

It's still just a matter of correcting behavior. If random visitors to the forum regularly have strong negative reactions to your replies that seems important.

If many different people say your interactions are unwanted that seems important.

If many different people claim to have checked your profile and decided you are a troll, that seems important.

I've had non-regulars say they don't want my input. Guess what happened? Nothing! I skittered off like a raccoon. Insisting that you are a permanent part of their thread doesn't seem very respectful.

24-Sep-2023 04:19:30

Dilbert2001
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Roddy Piper said :
Using real words would definitely help.

It's still just a matter of correcting behavior. If random visitors to the forum regularly have strong negative reactions to your replies that seems important.

If many different people say your interactions are unwanted that seems important.

If many different people claim to have checked your profile and decided you are a troll, that seems important.

I've had non-regulars say they don't want my input. Guess what happened? Nothing! I skittered off like a raccoon. Insisting that you are a permanent part of their thread doesn't seem very respectful.


I believe these "many different people" have definitely violated the RSOF rules. We are supposed to discuss the topic, not RSOF users.

And what if these "many different people" are trolls or alts of just a couple of users?

24-Sep-2023 17:31:30

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