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Tenebri
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Dilbert2001 said :
"and if trolling is an issue then so is flaming. if thats what you also think then my post also holds more water into needing proper definitions from jagex. ;) "


Somewhat agreed with Tenebri. Actually flaming may be a bigger problem than trolling, especially target flaming, or in worse cases, group target flaming, is generally considered harassments under real world regulation. Real world regulations are of course the kind of proper definitions Jagex needing to abide to.

indeed 100%

especially as i do see flaming happening so much more.
but then again it is dealt with by the fmods. even if its just a post on the thread thats "come on people keep on topic and civil". so imo nothing really needs to change here. especially as this thread is about changing rules. but yeah flaming is definitely a lot worse than trolling definitely in terms of how often it happens.

including randomly being pmed and "insulted" over pm over forum stuff. but remember if that does happen just screenshot it all ;) and report them using the ingame report.

2_Tron said :
The arrogance of these definitions are mindblowing ...

Trolling is an issue of high educated - elite people whos experience is out of phase with the community they wanna be so much part of.


yeah that is a bit bizarre it implies only people that have played the game a lot / are good at the game can be a troll. very bizare
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25-Sep-2023 09:35:40 - Last edited on 25-Sep-2023 09:36:11 by Tenebri

Roddy Piper
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It should be obvious now the use of fake words like flaming and trolling is one source of this problem.

I'm also reminded that a lot of this activity is self-reported.

There is also a thing known as activism. It's normal for people to stand against injustice.

If some bit of negative behavior is ONLY targeted at certain individuals that also seems important.

That's the difference that seems to go unnoticed. It's not 2 sided. It's all focused back onto a small number of users. Everyone else gets along to a reasonable degree.

25-Sep-2023 13:33:04

Tenebri
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Roddy Piper said :
It should be obvious now the use of fake words like flaming and trolling is one source of this problem.
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well they arent fake words. they have use and meaning.

the issue is people use them differently. thats why jagex need to put inplace the definitions of them for the rules in this forum, therefore when people discuss them both it can only be about 1 usage / 1 meaning
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25-Sep-2023 15:37:57

Dilbert2001
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Roddy Piper said :
It should be obvious now the use of fake words like flaming and trolling is one source of this problem.

I'm also reminded that a lot of this activity is self-reported.

There is also a thing known as activism. It's normal for people to stand against injustice.

If some bit of negative behavior is ONLY targeted at certain individuals that also seems important.

That's the difference that seems to go unnoticed. It's not 2 sided. It's all focused back onto a small number of users. Everyone else gets along to a reasonable degree.

You know there are Fmods and FH, right?

AFAIK, they decide what are "fake words", not you. Not that I agree with their actions majority of the time, but it is the way how the RSOF works.

The RSOF is definitely not for activism. You can "stand against injustice" going forward to the real world with your real identity.

25-Sep-2023 17:49:25

Roddy Piper
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I should point out most or all of my references are to points made by the OP. If you refer to the scenario in page 2 post 3, the User A/User B thing.

User A is the one engaged in activism by speaking up directly to User B. Activism is similar to the words in question (flaming), because it is more of an idea, with many different interpretations of how that plays out.

That's not really important. IMO User A should be allowed to engage in their activity without automatically inviting User B into the mix, especially when there is nothing actually being offered.

A rephrasing, an automatic disagreement, demanding answers, direct baiting. None of that is a valid response. Certainly not respectful to the user.

25-Sep-2023 18:18:28

Dilbert2001
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Roddy Piper said :
I should point out most or all of my references are to points made by the OP. If you refer to the scenario in page 2 post 3, the User A/User B thing.

User A is the one engaged in activism by speaking up directly to User B. Activism is similar to the words in question (flaming), because it is more of an idea, with many different interpretations of how that plays out.

That's not really important. IMO User A should be allowed to engage in their activity without automatically inviting User B into the mix, especially when there is nothing actually being offered.

A rephrasing, an automatic disagreement, demanding answers, direct baiting. None of that is a valid response. Certainly not respectful to the user.

Your comment didn't address my post at all.

In RSOF, FH and Fmods are used to determine what is allowed or not, definitely not the "activists".

You also have a serious misunderstanding of what the RSOF is for. I see everything it is for the discussion of Jagex/Runesape/OSRS topics, absolutely not a place for someone to offer his personal opinion but doesn't entertain discussions from all the RSOF users.

25-Sep-2023 20:02:54

Crone924
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"A rephrasing, an automatic disagreement, demanding answers, direct baiting..."

and the beat goes on! (and on, and on. On cue, even!)

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I enjoy your commentary, Roddy Piper.

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What is the stated position against a "block user" feature for forums? It would probably rather quickly solve the "feeding the trolls" issue

25-Sep-2023 21:25:28

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