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Roddy Piper
Jan Member 2011

Roddy Piper

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"You also have a serious misunderstanding of what the RSOF is for. I see everything it is for the discussion of Jagex/Runesape/OSRS topics, absolutely not a place for someone to offer his personal opinion but doesn't entertain discussions from all the RSOF users."

I am having flashbacks to discussions years ago. The justification for poor behavior was to invite discussion. The intention is to get replies with their replies.

The intention of a troll is to get negative replies. That's a thing I said earlier, intentions and validity.

When the attempts to further discussion lack validity that is very similar to trolling. When many (unorganized) people have negative reactions to those tactics, the reasonable thing to do is change the behavior to something more favorable.

Specific to a gaming forum, there is an expectation that readers have knowledge and understanding of the topic, and if they didn't, they could self-gather it. Or they could ask questions in a somewhat respectable way.

Some folks actually claim expertise, but then show a lack of understanding and a refusal to correct errors. Normally an expert would have a thing called credibility.

Edit: I want to point out the past discussions I mentioned were NOT with the user I quoted. It only served as a reminder.

26-Sep-2023 15:00:00 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2023 15:07:22 by Roddy Piper

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

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"I am having flashbacks to discussions years ago...'


Good that you are having flashbacks to discussions years ago. If there were discussions years ago and things haven't changed. It means (at least to me) Jmods and Fmods disagreed with you.

"The intention of a troll is to get negative replies. That's a thing I said earlier, intentions and validity."


If you think so then why don't you give positive replies and don't reply to the ones you don't like? Intentions and validity are determined by FMods, and to a certain extent, some luring Jmods who may still come by to collect data once a while.

26-Sep-2023 21:32:27

Crone924
Sep Member 2006

Crone924

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may be time to refresh this discussion; some of the behaviors the OP references in points 2 and 3 remain a problem, and of course may ALWAYS remain so.

Letter of the law can cloak trolling behavior, and sometimes does.

Don't know the perfect solution, but for me it may be time to go back to some blocking via the methods suggested.

It can be frustrating to try to engage with someone in good faith on a topic for which both hold strong opinions, only to realize yet again that they only have...strong opinions, and only "good faith" if you endorse them, or quit the field.

11-Dec-2023 17:25:38

Crone924
Sep Member 2006

Crone924

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I think some of that can be the inherent lack of tone in the written word, in both "regular" behavior and some that can read like trolling.

There are a couple people who I find to be in general knowledgeable and helpful, but seem to have the habit of opening response to a query/frustration/concern with a dismissal or diminishment before offering an explanation or a link to some help, i.e. "I'm so frustrated! Stuck at x,y,z, and feel like I can't do it!" gets a "huh. that only took me five minutes, it's no big deal" before adding "have you tried __________?" The first may be meant as a "hey, don't worry about it, you can do it if you try this way", but can come off as "what are you, stupid?" because of that lack of tone.

As they always seem to offer actual targeted help, I tend to write that off as a personality quirk and move on.

The trolling (IMO) seems more like the gaming the rules to bait people and then call for help, and crybullying is pretty obnoxious behavior, but then again, tone: some people are very invested in the game, their own opinion, etc, and seem to read a different opinion or questioning of opinion not as just that, but as an outright and unwarranted attack, and come in guns ablazin' and then screaming for the cavalry. In their minds they may just be defending themselves and something that is really important to them, but proportionally it seems to me out of whack.

Now maybe allowance is made for that "letter of the law" trolling, simply because it is letter of the law, but it makes for an unpleasant experience, especially when the behavior overshadows the legitimate contributions those inappropriate crusaders sometimes have to offer.

12-Dec-2023 18:17:29

Montinevvra

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Thing is like 90% of the bad-faith acting on here is done by just 3 individual dipshits. I have nicknames for them.

Crone924 said :
Don't know the perfect solution
Me. I'm the solution. Give me all the moderation powers. I'll clean these forums up. Trolls are a disease; I am the cure.

Fr tho, the only thing you can really do is not engage. If you need help doing that, here's a thread on how to hide posts from an individual user. And if you see someone engage with Reply-Guy, Sea Lion, or Pick-Me, gently remind them not to, and direct them to that thread.

15-Dec-2023 07:14:10

Crone924
Sep Member 2006

Crone924

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Lol!

Seriously, one problem I can see with directing someone to that (excellent) thread in conjunction with telling people not to engage, however gently, at the instances of trolling, might fall under flaming, naming, shaming?

I can think of possible examples of someone who would devote many comments and many threads to arguing that case.

Now, in a perfect world, they'd argue it right up to trolling the mods called in as cavalry, and then that would bring peace in our time! lolol

I disengage/ignore periodically, and reengage on occasion too.

Jury still out for me whether it is direct conscious trolling, or personality behavior that functions that way

15-Dec-2023 15:17:04

Tenebri
Jan Member 2015

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Crone924 said :


There are a couple people who I find to be in general knowledgeable and helpful, but seem to have the habit of opening response to a query/frustration/concern with a dismissal or diminishment before offering an explanation or a link to some help, i.e. "I'm so frustrated! Stuck at x,y,z, and feel like I can't do it!" gets a "huh. that only took me five minutes, it's no big deal" before adding "have you tried __________?" The first may be meant as a "hey, don't worry about it, you can do it if you try this way", but can come off as "what are you, stupid?" because of that lack of tone.


yes definitely this.

many people can take helpful comments, as a negative thing, just because of personality of how they deliver the help

(i know my delivery in helpful tips etc is just very blunt, many people take that as being rude etc etc etc. when its really not intended to be, but it is how i am i have no interest in changing that. majority of people are fine with it :P )
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