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J3
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I think google made the right move by moving away from NPAPI, it's pretty ancient stuff and definitely not something secure to run in this day and age. I'm sure there will be people making chrome clones in chromium with Java enabled as well. All in all it's just a safe move.
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16-Apr-2015 10:45:43

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@J3, I think so too, though tbh it simply doesn't have any effect on me. Nothing I do relies on NPAPI so I can't miss what I don't use.

@Wolfie, I saw your thread earlier. I don't mind you posting about it here, this thread is about forums, tech, code and coffee and without prejudice.

There are some things I believe you should cover that you haven't. I recommend some safeguards as to what you embed. See page 50 of this thread while running your script. I haven't tested it, but I see the code and I'm pretty sure I know what will happen.

Of course that's not the only example, there plenty of others that are worse than just an annoyance that you should cover too. That only takes some simple regex to fix. Should be too easy for a member of a master race *.~

I'm happy to offer some pointers if needed :)

16-Apr-2015 11:53:41 - Last edited on 16-Apr-2015 12:19:33 by Indecent Act

Morgan

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I wonder what's the reasoning behind the minds at Oracle. The #1 browser in terms of popularity is dropping NPAPI support and they're like "use another browser". I know you said only 5% of all Chrome users still use NPAPI stuff, but it seems like... silly? decision coming from them. And soon both IE and Firefox will cease support for it. (I'm 99% sure Spartan for Windows 10 doesn't support it already).

Oh well. Multibillion dollar companies are a mystery :(

16-Apr-2015 12:47:30

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I wont pretend to understand it. But from what I read (was some time ago) I was left with the impression that Oracle were being stubborn. It's so hard to tell though because so many articles are bias in one way or another.

I don't see any indication that FF is going to drop support soon, though as stated in the pdf I linked, FF have some very strong alternatives to NPAPI. Can't say they are unprepared.

No one could blame them for sticking with NPAPI for now, and trying to draw in some of the 5% of chrome's users.

As for Java, well applets are almost a thing of the past. For many people when they think of java they think of the applet that runs in the browser.

That's a tiny part of java. Java has a very strong foothold on the server end of things. It's actually where Java's strengths are. It's well understood partly due to it being around forever. I guess you can say it's mature. For many banks and similar large enterprises, Java is doing lots of heavy work behind the scenes.

When I think about it, the applet side of things might not mean that much to Oracle.

16-Apr-2015 13:09:26

Morgan

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Ah interesting, I see.

Would you say that Java is in decline or far from it then? People always say "ditch Java while you can, it'll disappear in a few years", and they've been like that since 2008. I wonder what makes them think that.

16-Apr-2015 13:18:51

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Front end, I can see why people may speculate that it's days are numbered. But that can't be unless there is something to replace it. That's what we are seeing right now.

Other than that I'm really not sure. I hear and see quite a few things about Java but the reality is Java has some impressive strengths, custom tools and utilities come to mind.

I don't think Java will die because suddenly there is more choice on what to develop on. I think it's the business world that will shape this kind of technology and determine Java's longevity.

If the needs of big business change at a pace and to a point where the platform can't keep up (Java is considered slow to develop on by many). Or simply can't fulfil their needs, then we'll see change.

There are already alternatives, but I think in some ways it's a matter of don't fix what's not broken.

This is well and truly out of my league, and I hear similar things to what you said, 'ditch Java while you can' . But I have to ask (not talking applets), where is it failing, or what are it's limits, because I simply don't know.

16-Apr-2015 13:57:18 - Last edited on 16-Apr-2015 14:25:32 by Indecent Act

Amaethwr
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Before I share this, I have no idea how dangerous it could potentially be (there's a pretty clear warning at the top of the page too)

Can currently enable NPAPI by going to chrome://flags , and searching for NPAPI in the list and enabling it there
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16-Apr-2015 14:07:35

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Amaethwr said :
Before I share this, I have no idea how dangerous it could potentially be (there's a pretty clear warning at the top of the page too)

Can currently enable NPAPI by going to chrome://flags , and searching for NPAPI in the list and enabling it there


Yep, I think will be available until September. It's a part of the process to move away from NPAPI.

16-Apr-2015 14:24:23

J3
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Amaethwr said :
Before I share this, I have no idea how dangerous it could potentially be (there's a pretty clear warning at the top of the page too)

Can currently enable NPAPI by going to chrome://flags , and searching for NPAPI in the list and enabling it there


This is true and cn indeed be very dangerous. As well as Java no longer being updated for chrome in the future. I personally would recommend people to not be stubborn and move on to the client tbh. Applets are quite dangerous cause they can be allowed to put any kind of file to their liking anywhere they like on your computer if you give them a simple "yes" in a pop-up. Or with certain exploits without your permission. This is why I strongly recommend that if you have no use for NPAPI aside from RuneScape to just download the client and not mess with stuff that could open yourself up to these kind of dangers.
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16-Apr-2015 14:30:11 - Last edited on 16-Apr-2015 14:30:51 by J3

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