RuneScape Forum Archive | tattletailing is wrong

May

2007

J R Kerr

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well yeah man but so can the p mods and f mods. acts of bad actors don't count as much as it looks like.

like... see above. what are they. its always gonna kinda look like mod nick is making weary swipes when he posts, and its always gonna look like tuffty is flexing, but its NOT. thats just how it looks. tuffty has to post 'I am moderating right here this moderatable thing moddy moddy' and its awkward meta is because thats kinda how he has to prove he was here. its attendance. roll call.

they love the game just like we do, and they respect we post with our forum id -linked- to our gameplay account which means its a brave risk we take posting at all. they can't make it look less awkward or meta by saying "thanks so much for posting to the forums" either.

but thats the thing. the new metrics, 20+ years into rs, they see that the biggest companies datamining us... they dont care if we like or dislike the content in search results, or newsfeeds, but instead do we find it

relevant

enough to interact with it, and if you or I do, then they correctly assume 10 people find it relevant, and it gets elevated.

in this way AI has already surpassed the worst job human beings can do. AI has not quite had its singularity moment where the best job a computer can do is better than the best job a human can do, but its very easy to imagine now that we passed the first mark.

google is like the most wealth any company ever had, and all it had to do was yoke that relevancy.

its weird, I hope, that I am the one asking for a little faith, but yeah, I am, cause weirdly I do know that nick, tuffty, etc are here most of all because they do love runescape.

I have quit rsof because moderator found comments about darklight bonus damage on demons "off topic" for wildy flash mobs full of demons

02-Oct-2021 21:25:52 - Last edited on 02-Oct-2021 21:26:46 by J R Kerr

May

2007

J R Kerr

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the mods, p mod or f mod, that I hint at impugning... the ones I mean the most, are not here now. theyre long gone. I won't name them. the structure that put them where they are...

do you know the peter priniciple?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle

so thats not nick, tuffty, tren, etc. those are real lovers of the game. they could move up to where anyone would do a bad job like... POTUS or PM, but they have not.

there have been mods that were petered into this forum, and where I hint at who, I dont say who, cause thats against the rules, and I agree with those rules, but I can maybe get away with saying that they are not here now. The worst ones are gone, and I hope any new ones are not as bad.

and I aint kidding make friends either. any of yall jump into public w2 croesus and we can play. I did it all night last night. omg its so much fun. 50 kills. got a top. put it in ge at like 100m and gasped when it sold for 345m. no reason not to try it once. come on in. lets play.

I have quit rsof because moderator found comments about darklight bonus damage on demons "off topic" for wildy flash mobs full of demons

02-Oct-2021 21:36:59

Jul

2016

Chee

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Tuffty said :
If you see any of this or on the recieving end of some of this they you need to use Forum Help thread.
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03-Oct-2021 12:32:58

Jan

2003

Tuffty

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Glad someone found a typo funny.

Glad I made someones day.

Still reading the thread with interest. Be more then happy to answer questions on the topic either as a F-Mod or a player for over 19 years. Comprehensive Account Security

What do snowmen have for breakfast? Snowflakes!

03-Oct-2021 13:24:06

Sep

2020

mr togue

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so much to talk about i am not sure where to start.

first i was on a unexpected road trip and yes i have internet in my car and i took my laptop but it was too difficult to do the thread and get rest ( did a round trip drive and to make it back as fast as possible a second person and i took turns driving while the other slept in the back of van )
so for not responding fast enough i am sorry

so lets get into it,,

this thread is here on HLF because i would never have been allowed to have this discussion in general under the rules set up by that forum

i have waited a long time to be able to discuss my thoughts openly and freely in a more relaxed environment about this subject, and i hope over time i can bring, even more interesting conversations to this forum in the future

when i say tattle tale forums i am referring to several threads in multi forums here on runescape . not any other websites nor am i talking about any other person who associates with other forums, i dont care what other people do on other forums on other websites so if you mention other websites it is not going to be discussed by me in this thread,

as for why i refer to the threads as tattle tale threads its because the simple fact they are exactly that,, if you are going to act like a child then there is no reason any one can not call you a child
it is presumed by internet ethics that you are a adult,,, you are neither male or female, and that you have the maturity of having other people disagree with your thinking,

to run back to mommy and daddy cause your feelings are hurt or to try to be superior over others with some kind of "power" ego, is pathetic and moronic

instead try to convince them your opinion is better then using the "baseball bat tool" to swipe away some ones words
after all no matter what any one says... here on the boards, we are adults,, not children so act like a adult and deal with life

03-Oct-2021 15:33:36 - Last edited on 03-Oct-2021 18:53:20 by mr togue

Sep

2020

mr togue

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(continued)

i looked at the rules of the forums and if i understand correctly my interpretation of the rule "no naming and shamming" can include referring to specific forum, so by not naming any forum by its correct name i feel i am not in violation of that rule

and seeing i am not singling out any person by name and only referring to others as "people/person" again i am not voila ting that rule

if any one wants to call out a particular forum or person then that's on them and not me
i am doing every thing i can to not break the rules because if any of my posts gets hidden then my POV is not being heard because of my stupidity.. i want my POV ( point of view) to be heard

@tuffy
i absolutely agree with you when you said "if We had no Forum Help thread the forums would be pure anarchy " i refer back to my sentence about " if its a legit issue then fix it "

but i have seen and had it done to me personally where a fmod gets a complaint and with out reading thru the thread decided to blanket hide the reported players comments

when it happened to me i had not violated any rule and later on a jmod had to come back in and unhide my post but by then the thread had lost interest and basically the action of the fmod killed the thread because of some one falsely reporting a issue

as you are well aware of through out the years, fmods have made these types of mistakes and to error is human but the consequences of those errors is it empowered people to utilize the reporting threads to shut down the entire thread or the thoughts of a single player from being enjoyed by many others on the forums,

the reporter has taken advantage of the system because the fmods do not have time to read or digest ever part of the thread in question,
the fmods have just gotten complacent with and relied on the knowledge of the same people over and over again tattling on others to just assumed that all reports are legit or validated and the fo

03-Oct-2021 15:38:22 - Last edited on 03-Oct-2021 18:55:04 by mr togue

Sep

2020

mr togue

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will say some thing to the effect hey "xxx" thanks for bringing that to our attention
but never realizing the "xxx" was the one who baited the conversation in the first place

so what is the fall out of this?
the player who reported gets a sense of power ( oh i did good i took care of this and they listened to me )

and the player who was reported on gets pissed off and never comes back to the forums

the player who was reported on will not or rarely ever does a follow up to fight these issues

which one can say the person who reported the other player is controlling (( aka) bulliing other players )) the forums

@Tenebri
you said "it seems you think there is some kind of conspiracy "

i have seen actions like what i am describing over and over this is not a conspiracy its a observation
it is insulting for you to try and label me as a conspiracy nut case .i could give direct ( copy and paste examples to strengthen my conversation but that is a violation of the name and shame rule so either accept my use of "generalization wordings" in the conversation and be a person contributing to the thread or please become a observer of the conversation .you do not have to insult me

the majority of players who get reported on will just end the interaction with the forums they do not follow up or try to over turn the results of being reported if i had to guess most dont even know there is a way to over turn a hidden thread ( i know at first i did not know i could )
to point out the fact there is a jmod review thread is mute the results have already been completed ( thread dies or the players never interacts with the forums again ) even if a jomod agrees with the person who was reported the passion is gone the moment has passed and it is soon forgotten, end result is i do not get to enjoy the thoughts of the player who now has a sour taste of the forums because of a few individuals who get delight out of reporting other player

03-Oct-2021 15:38:33 - Last edited on 03-Oct-2021 16:41:03 by mr togue

Sep

2012

Nead

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Tuffty said :
I would rather post some comments to educate them to be a better forumer instead.

See, this is what not only this community but this world needs more of.

As for the topic itself, I am still somewhat confused on what's exactly being insinuated here as it seems to sway quite frequently O_o

. I feel as-if I missed something important.
- Ornery Onions -
Prioritizing inclusion, friendliness and offering a helping hand to those that need it.

03-Oct-2021 16:40:38

Sep

2020

mr togue

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@ Tenebri

my signature is mine i do not have to explain any part of it, there are clear rules to the signatures and trust me i made sure i am completely in the bounds of those rules until i some how fall out of compliance with the rules my signature will remain exactly as it is worded

as for your concerns i can only refer to the very last part of it ,, " if you feel offended then not post"

if any one doesn't like what i post or so disagrees with what i write and it shakes their world to the point they cant even sleep then for their own best interest i recommend they ignore me

@ tuffy
you said "If you see any of this or on the receiving end of some of this then you need to use Forum Help thread. "
trust me if the event was so critical i would have no problem reporting but my own person morals and beliefs prevents me from being hypocritical ( i seriously try not to be a hypocrite i dont always succeed but i damm well try) after all, i am a adult i can handle most situations on my own,

@ tuffy
you said "If this thread is just about bullying then please use Forum Help. You could even wait on Forum"

to me the first step in resolving matters is to make people aware, who are the very first step of the ladder, in this case my fellow forum members . i started a conversation i want others to weigh in , when and if it builds momentum then either myself or even one the people who reports can bring it up to second ladder rung,, but the first step is to start talking about it

i feel there is a injustice going on , this subject is not unknown it has plagued the forums for years, ask your self and be honest how many times have you seen thru out the years the words toxic and forums in the same sentence ? how many times have you seen a player give up on the forums because of frustration after punishments that was given when in the first place , that player was baited by the reporting person?

03-Oct-2021 17:08:39 - Last edited on 03-Oct-2021 17:10:40 by mr togue

Sep

2020

mr togue

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i am going to end with this thought for moment ( awaiting peoples counter responses to what i wrote )

the tattle tale threads are important i do not disagree with the use of them for legit reasons

i am talking about the clear evidential abuse by those who have taken upon themselves to control others actions

there is one person who almost on a daily schedule try's and succeeds to bait plays into voila ting forum rules, yet has gets a approval by fmods who does not really look at the context of the thread to see that person baiting another.

it is clear the majority of the posts now being created are only really done by people who constantly report others, in effect they now have their own private forum and if a new person post are quickly driven away by the punishment system in place

@ tuffy i do not feel the need to report things every time i see it for example there is some one here in this thread that is not discussing the subject matter. it could be argued that the person is derailing, yet that person continues

you are here,,, you see it . you know what that person is doing and why they are doing it so why should i report it

for me i can ignore it ,, but under your position IMO you shouldnt ,,, yet you are, the question is why are you ignoring it? i feel i know the answer but it is not my place to say it

03-Oct-2021 17:25:34 - Last edited on 03-Oct-2021 17:33:36 by mr togue

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