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Rologarth
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I'm still fuming about this particular event, but

There was a new roleplayer hosting a nice event, creating content for people to partake in.

You know what happened?

Someone threw a huge ooc fit about not recognizing their 10-year old personal lore despite the host being a fresh roleplayer. The fallout of this fit discouraged the new roleplayer from hosting additional roleplays.

You want to know what type of roleplayer the fit-thrower was?

A PoK enthusiast.

You know when this happened? It wasn't years ago.

It was yesterday.

I was civil previously in this thread, but my patience has worn thin with this community. Any sort of roleplay or personal (i.e. "public" ) lore that infringes on the fun of someone else should never be accepted. That practice should be shunned so hard their practitioners’' heads should spin. Sure, someone might post evidence that a PoK was good. But how much evidence of them breeding crap RP practices and attitudes did they have to sift through to find it?

I vehemently dislike any sort of practice that facilitates fun-policing. The only people anyone should have any influence over is their own group who voluntarily submit to their lore/changes/whatever.

Wanting PoKs to be public canon is idiotic. Public canon should be Jagex canon for the sake of simplicity and accessibility, because who wants to read a 19-page back-story on how sad and powerful your Mahjarrat queen of Karamja is. Nobody's lore should be important to anyone who doesn't want it to be.
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03-Aug-2019 03:25:53 - Last edited on 03-Aug-2019 03:28:29 by Rologarth

RiDaku
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POK roleplay is not the be-all-end-all. I'm currently running one, and I have absolutely no issue with interacting with people who either can't or won't acknowledge the goings-on in the POK scene. How do I do that? I just don't mention it in-character. If your (this is the general "you", not anybody in particular) character cannot exist in a scene without making some grand display of their political power in a kingdom, then they're not a good character. You're not an adaptable writer. You're in it for your own personal e-peen and not the story being built.

Take away Jeoffrey being King, say it never happened, void all events leading up to and during his reign and what is he? He's still a character with years of RP that aren't so heavily intertwined with one sphere of RP that he breaks if you remove it. Take away his Asgarnia stuff and he's still a Legends Guild member, he's still participated in world events big and small, he's still adventured across the world and this that the other thing. None of which require knowing precisely who Aztarwyn Gonzo or Oliver Cleeves are and the twelve centuries of atrocities/blessings/whatever that they did.

POK's aren't the problem. POK's being public aren't the problem. POK's are just the medium with which the problem exists, being that some people just cannot adapt their story and build their character for general usage, and it's everybody else's fault and can't possibly be their own. Which falls on the OOC, not the IC.

If you don't want to acknowledge PoK roleplay, that's fine. There shouldn't be any hiccups in interacting with the PoK roleplayers or their characters - The only time the PoK sphere should even become a dominant theme in any scene is when it's things that affect the stability and future of the kingdom. Which should be centered in throne-room meetings, and not a fucking bar.

I'm sorry to hear what happened yesterday, Isaac. That's embarrassing for whoever that was. The Sicarius |
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03-Aug-2019 04:01:58

CrocoNuts
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RiDaku said :

Take away Jeoffrey being King, say it never happened, void all events leading up to and during his reign

So. Would you be willing to do this? If so, should certain conditions be met for you to do so and which conditions would that be if there's any? Quickly learn how to Roleplay on RuneScape!

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03-Aug-2019 04:18:29

CrocoNuts
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Lord Pyro I said :
they gave me the only kingdom I ever really wanted free of charge

People did not give it to you , but to the newcomer you pretended to be. Just saying.


Lord Pyro I said :
You and I both count 15 people, it's just that I count 15 people who for all their fine words are not doing anything about it and I really doubt that they will.


Wrong. Me and Spart have been talking about this particular subject and are willing to actually do something about it. Who knows. Maybe a third canon, that can actively gather support due to how it's constructed, can exist to try and build larger and better RPs.

Please also do note that Spart didn't ever propose forceful changes that offer straight on practical solutions like you make it all sound but simply talked about the philosophy of W42 and it being in the need of a tweak here and there. A change of mind can perhaps provide newfound ways for more inclusive groups earning the label of ‘public RP’ (should there be a call for such a label to be used that us) and I think that what Spart posted is something most certainly headed towards the directions of inclusivity and mutual understanding and possibilities of having a shared space. Quickly learn how to Roleplay on RuneScape!

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03-Aug-2019 05:37:28 - Last edited on 03-Aug-2019 05:44:06 by CrocoNuts

Rologarth
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RiDaku said :
If your (this is the general "you", not anybody in particular) character cannot exist in a scene without making some grand display of their political power in a kingdom, then they're not a good character. You're not an adaptable writer. You're in it for your own personal e-peen and not the story being built.

Agreed.

RiDaku said :
POK's are just the medium with which the problem exists, being that some people just cannot adapt their story and build their character for general usage, and it's everybody else's fault and can't possibly be their own. Which falls on the OOC, not the IC.

This is the fundemental problem I have with PoKs. It's a medium that proliferates the bad behaviour due to biggest-dick-syndrome. Honestly whatever folk here are left need to take a step back and realize public rp means public fun. Or hell, do away with the notion of public roleplay at all. I don't think anyone here will ever agree to one set of lore, no matter how long we give it. I honestly don't know how to fix any of this, and I don't really care if it gets fixed at this point. I'll just be sticking to my little sandbox where I can eat my sand in peace.

RiDaku said :
I'm sorry to hear what happened yesterday, Isaac. That's embarrassing for whoever that was.

They had better be embarassed. They made me look like an idiot for vouching for the community to the new roleplayer.
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03-Aug-2019 06:08:59

Kex

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I remember I tried to run an Abolish POKs campaign back in 2014 or 2015, I think. I don't still roleplay here, but I will say that I think POKs are the metaphorical "root of all evil" in Runescape. They have always created massive toxicity and driven people away from the game. I hope this discussion might actually end them for good, because y'all would be better without them.

Other roleplay communities on other MMOs don't allow you to play the King or Queen. You can play nobles and politicians, and even own land in some circumstances, but not rule over entire kingdoms. It's really a much better system.

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03-Aug-2019 07:42:55

Lord Pyro I
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@Issac sorry about that pok leader who was clearly a tool but we are just talking about a dreadful person here. I'm guessing he would've been exactly the same without a pok.

You need to learn to accept that poks do not proliferate anything other than rp. Some are lead by good people and some are lead by bad people and removing poks won't change who they are. If it helps I know that myself and others would be happy to talk to this new roleplayer and reinforce that that is not how we do things on W42.

@Croco

"People did not give it to you, but to the newcomer you pretended to be. Just saying."

So? Isn't really significant to my point to be honest.

"Me and Spart have been talking about this particular subject and are willing to actually do something about it."

Yeah I've never said you weren't happy to talk about doing this or even to think about doing it. Unless you actually do make an attempt I'm gunna stick by my point here: it's just talk.

"So. Would you be willing to do this? If so, should certain conditions be met for you to do so and which conditions would that be if there's any?"

Yeah that was not an offer. That said it does show to me that you are the one representing the some of the worst aspects of pok rp. Daku is accused of all kinds of bs, if you believe it then by rights you shouldn't even be speaking to him. But does that just all fade away the second you get a hint of an IC advantage.


@Kex

An explanation that let's far too many people off the hook. Are you saying the reason so many people on W42 are so toxic is all because of the existence of poks? Given what I've seen from some of this community's population I find that excuse somewhat... hilarious? "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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03-Aug-2019 09:31:38

RiDaku
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CrocoNuts said :
RiDaku said :

Take away Jeoffrey being King, say it never happened, void all events leading up to and during his reign

So. Would you be willing to do this? If so, should certain conditions be met for you to do so and which conditions would that be if there's any?

As Pyro said, yeah, that's.. that's not an offer. That's not even remotely close to what I'm even talking about. I'm saying that I, as a roleplayer, don't have any difficulty interacting with non-POK roleplayers, because I just don't draw reference to the explicitly POK aspects of his(Jeoffrey) RP's. Because it's not the defining trait of his character. Which is directly in contrast to the "POK roleplayers lock non-POK roleplayers out".

I find it really odd to ask me to dismantle and destroy an almost year-long RP I've been doing with people who share similar interests as me, for any reason. Like-- just-- think about that for a moment. You've just asked me to stop roleplaying something that I'm interested in roleplaying, something that is in an entirely separate canon with an entirely separate community, and asked me for conditions that would have to be met to make that happen. What, are we paying people to not do things, now? I'll take a blue partyhat, please. <- That part's sincere, if that's the route we're going now, I'm not going to be cheap.

Also, in response to people saying that the POK medium of RP is the root-of-all-evil thing, no it's not. There are off-world POK/POC groups, hell there's even a fan website dedicated to hosting the landclaims and politics of that other world's community efforts, and they're functioning effectively and fluidly. It's the people, not the genre. Take away that genre and another one will become the new mainstream and become the new problem. The Sicarius |
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03-Aug-2019 10:02:41

CrocoNuts
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Pyro, your talk about an IC advantage as an argument is plain silly. I think I am now going to take te same stance Spart took regarding your commentairy.

Daku, I’m well aware you weren’t offering anything. I was merely curious that after being one of the only POK based group leaders commenting here and having boasted about your character having the posibility of easily shedding the whole royalty part in their narrative you’d be willing to actually do that or not. I misstook your pat on the back for you keeping the option open to make narrative based changes in order to help abolish the POK scene as it is now and I was wrong about it.

I’ll stop pestering you with questions because it shows that they’re not appreciated nor interpreted all too well. You’re heavily in favor of the POK system we have now and there’s no means for me to try and force you into a system or RP philosophy you do not like. Again, I was fishing for information, not actively trying to ‘pay’you into giving up the POK aspect of your group and narrative. Quickly learn how to Roleplay on RuneScape!

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03-Aug-2019 10:37:06

Lord Pyro I
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CrocoNuts said :
Pyro, your talk about an IC advantage as an argument is plain silly. I think I am now going to take te same stance Spart took regarding your commentairy.

Daku, I’m well aware you weren’t offering anything. I was merely curious that after being one of the only POK based group leaders commenting here and having boasted about your character having the posibility of easily shedding the whole royalty part in their narrative you’d be willing to actually do that or not. I misstook your pat on the back for you keeping the option open to make narrative based changes in order to help abolish the POK scene as it is now and I was wrong about it.

I’ll stop pestering you with questions because it shows that they’re not appreciated nor interpreted all too well. You’re heavily in favor of the POK system we have now and there’s no means for me to try and force you into a system or RP philosophy you do not like. Again, I was fishing for information, not actively trying to ‘pay’you into giving up the POK aspect of your group and narrative.

Nice attempted recovery. 7/10. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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03-Aug-2019 11:16:22

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