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Caliph Karo

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Vlod VonVern said :
the entire mandate of that restart was to allow everyone a chance to tell their story.

Of course when you say “everyone” you're not counting the trolls, the elitists, the fascists, the [buzzword #0283]'s; the people who dared to have opinions, voices, and methods which deviated from your own. Are you forgetting that in your quest to include “everyone,” you actually excluded a significant subset of people from participating in your brave new world?

Stop lying to yourself, stop lying to us, and more importantly, stop lying to the newcomers who would be susceptible to believing this deceitful rhetoric. If you really, truly want W41 to succeed a second time, then you're the one killing its chances by insisting on using the same language, the same tactics, the same system, in pursuit of the same goals.

Region of Tales was designed to preserve the canon you liked, destroy the canon you disliked, and create gates through which only your select players could pass into your twisted little world, a utopia where you never had to bear the horrible burdens of people roleplaying differently from you.

Proof? The proof is in this very thread. Page 6 specifically. Behold:

Vlod VonVern said :
Eenywat said :
Vlod VonVern said :
-A story application can be rejected for various reasons, as can a character application,
but reasoning will always be given.

I believe the reason to be rather self-explanatory. While the application is a good one, the overwhelmingly strong sentiment against your participation by other members of the roleplay demonstrates that you will not be welcome within it. Sorry for my late reply on the matter.

Translation: “You're a good writer and you wrote an acceptable app, but we don't like you so piss off.”

So, Dast, who exactly is this “everyone” of which you speak? The Blood is Brave.

05-Apr-2017 17:09:39 - Last edited on 05-Apr-2017 17:24:43 by Caliph Karo

Lord Alexi

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Vlod VonVern said :
Giving up when the going got tough is what killed W41, of which we are all guilty parties .

Uh, no, fuck off. We're not to blame for you excluding us from the community, it's not our fault that we eventually accepted your decision and gave up trying to change it. Take a close look again at the exerpt which Fyre quoted and tell me with a strait face that it's our fault, fully or partially, that we wern't around to save Region of Fails when you let it go under. By "you" I mean the community as a whole in addition to you personally dastan, the people who had the power to save the server but didn't, SA had no such power because you stripped us of it. We stopped being responsable for W41 when you made it clear we wern't welcome here.

fyre's right, you killed W41, or at least played a major role in its death, and much of the proof which still exists of this fact is found in this same thread, the proof which hasn't fallen to pg 51 yet that is.

Accept your share of the blame truly without trying to spread it out across "all parties." It doesn't make you look fair, it doesn't make you seem humble, it makes you a conman and a fraud. If you cannot even do that, then it is not severe of me to say that you should never own power in this community again, because all you'll do is ruin it a third time. Oh but of course the activity lasted for a whole of six months, so you'll tell yourself that you "saved" it again. You take credit for the community's glory, but when it's brought low it's "everyone's fault." No more!

I try do be civil in PR but honestly dast your starting to piss me off with how stupid you seem to think we are. Do you seriously think no one learned anything about how you pull strings and manpiulate facts to suit your agenda? Given your track record you maybe literaly the least qualified person for W41 leadership and that's including vho and all the newbies. A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others.
-Ayn Rand

05-Apr-2017 19:27:06 - Last edited on 05-Apr-2017 19:54:29 by Lord Alexi

BloxzorKBG

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It's not like we decided to throw you guys out because we wanted pixel power as kings icly. If that was the case, Horus, Lucius and I could have just landscaled some islands or just reigned in Varrock.

No, I think you're both glossing over the part of W41's history where you guys were the "leaders" of W41 for years, and rped cooperatively with the rest of us, but then, when we took you guys out of your positions, the tables turned. Suddenly, "I'm just providing antagonism for W41."

I'm not sure if you guys thought we would just again gloss over the fact you were continually making an effort to work together to counter all of our positions of power icly, thus giving yourselves the excuse to take some OOC authority back. (See: A "rebellion" in a landscaled area against my and Horus' Falador, the Tuonathi in Varrock, Drim trying to antagonize my characters purposefully, Merc starting up a clear backstabby character in the Ergasts and then Fyre trying to use his kaiser to try to kill off my characters, all conveniently happening at the same time as you guys lost ooc power over the community.)

I think antagonism is a good thing, but not when it's used in an ooc scheme to take power and revenge on your rivals. That's where rp loses my interest because it starts mixing ic and ooc motive.


Still, I don't even try calling myself innocent. There's no doubt in my mind I consciously mixed ic and ooc when things got bad. But this is why I will back up Dastan's claim that we should all "share the blame". People made mistakes years ago. Sucks.

Just move on though.
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05-Apr-2017 22:10:30 - Last edited on 05-Apr-2017 22:13:59 by BloxzorKBG

BloxzorKBG

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Saint Toke said :
Uhmm, seems like some past conflicts were here that are appearing to be moved aside. I'm planning on being active for awhile, is this open? There is no Tweedesque machine currently here though, correct?

Also, hey. Sorry, but the mainstream W41 community is largely over with; moved onto a new game or just transferred to W42 RP. Granted, you seem to be a member, so I think you would be better off in W42 anyways. Try just about any thread on this forum.
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05-Apr-2017 22:11:49 - Last edited on 05-Apr-2017 22:14:52 by BloxzorKBG

Lord Alexi

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BloxzorKBG said :
It's not like we decided to throw you guys out because we wanted pixel power as kings icly. If that was the case, Horus, Lucius and I could have just landscaled some islands or just reigned in Varrock.

No, I think you're both glossing over the part of W41's history where you guys were the "leaders" of W41 for years, and rped cooperatively with the rest of us, but then, when we took you guys out of your positions, the tables turned. Suddenly, "I'm just providing antagonism for W41."

I'm not sure if you guys thought we would just again gloss over the fact you were continually making an effort to work together to counter all of our positions of power icly, thus giving yourselves the excuse to take some OOC authority back. (See: A "rebellion" in a landscaled area against my and Horus' Falador, the Tuonathi in Varrock, Drim trying to antagonize my characters purposefully, Merc starting up a clear backstabby character in the Ergasts and then Fyre trying to use his kaiser to try to kill off my characters, all conveniently happening at the same time as you guys lost ooc power over the community.)

I think antagonism is a good thing, but not when it's used in an ooc scheme to take power and revenge on your rivals. That's where rp loses my interest because it starts mixing ic and ooc motive.


Still, I don't even try calling myself innocent. There's no doubt in my mind I consciously mixed ic and ooc when things got bad. But this is why I will back up Dastan's claim that we should all "share the blame". People made mistakes years ago. Sucks.

Just move on though.

Even if we were guilty on all counts of trying to regain power, at least when we were in power the community was alive. If we are going to be honest and view it as the political power struggle it was, you guys earned 41, you beat us. You even crushed us AFTER we were ousted and rallied an army.

The exception is Alt, who pmuch would have let us have falador back A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others.
-Ayn Rand

05-Apr-2017 22:33:04

Lord Alexi

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At a certain point we just realized it was better for us to step aside and let you guys govern than be a constant "fascist blight" on the community. So we left. We left you guys with the responsibility of the world.

Little did we know that once we left the world you would burn all bridges and make sure we couldn't come back.

41 had no one cause of death, but the fact you guys were more afraid of us ghosting in the 41 fc with alts than of new players being randomly banned from the fc defiantly didn't help keep it active.

I'll give you guys this though. You never lost your castle, you just sorta pulled up the drawbridge until all your subjects starved.

Were we antagonistic? Sure. Were we a threat to your power? Absolutely.

Unapologetic so. Maybe we should have stuck to our guns. A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others.
-Ayn Rand

05-Apr-2017 22:39:59

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Well guys, you all seem to be thriving at this prospect of trying to rally together to try to kickstart the world again. I know I'm at fault, and I know that those I associated with were at fault as well. But, as mama always said, it takes two to tango. Yes, the "death" of 41 happened without SA. But SA did a good job of fighting with everyone else to help push it to that ledge. While I could go on and on about the faults of everyone mixing IC and OOC (E.G.: Alteon totally poisoned Weardstan its legit plz lol don't question) it's in 41's best interest that we learn from the mistakes and move on. Hopefully we can get somewhere. |
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05-Apr-2017 22:47:42

Caliph Karo

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BloxzorKBG said :
No, I think you're both glossing over the part of W41's history where you guys were the "leaders" of W41 for years, and rped cooperatively with the rest of us, but then, when we took you guys out of your positions, the tables turned. Suddenly, "I'm just providing antagonism for W41."

Or you're ripping things out of context so that they appear more antagonistic than they really are. (Though unlike Dastan, I don't think you're doing it deliberately, Blox, so please don't take that as an accusation.)

What rebellion? The northmen in the northern reaches of Falador, involved with the dwarves? Buddy, that's called "realism." People, yes even NPCs, revolt when their situations become dire enough. Stop assuming anything and everything that may damage your position IC is a personal attack.

We accept responsibility for what Drim did when he ran with our crew, because we often condoned it and sometimes allowed it to happen without punishment. But once we cut ties with him that responsibility was no longer ours.

Tuonathi were a response to Varrock particularly, not to W41 as a whole. We set out to prove Luc's hypocrisy, calling his totalitarian dictatorship a "People's Republic" of Whateverthefuck, and it worked.

As for merc's "backstabby" character, and my Kaiser's hatred for the Ergasts...if you still cannot see that none of that is metagamed, and you still cannot see that character motivations came into play with both of those decisions, then frankly I don't know what to tell you which will actually manage to penetrate your skull and stick. Not everyone who attacks you IC is doing it out of a personal grudge, despite what you seem to think. Some of us are playing these things called "characters."

P.S. And no, sorry, "It's your fault because we were just responding to you as a threat" doesn't work. You were in control of your own actions. You were in control of W41. The Blood is Brave.

05-Apr-2017 23:06:10 - Last edited on 05-Apr-2017 23:59:26 by Caliph Karo

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