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Vlod VonVern
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Vlod VonVern

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Sorry to say, Gravin, but this roleplay, and W41 by extention, died out shortly after the final post on this thread. Some members of W41 have moved over to W42 but for the most part we've all went our separate ways. Roll a D20 to pay respects.

07-Mar-2017 13:32:06

Lord Alexi

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My pen belongs to 41. I doubt anyone is going to want to commit to ruling 41 now that there's no one there to rule though. If anyone makes an honest effort I'll do whatever I can to help.

Blox has my steam info if anyone wants it.

EDIT: The activity problem can be fixed because it's just a symptom, not the cause. The more pressing matter would be recruiting (both GM's and players). If someone got players and had a good story the activity would naturally follow.

Biggest problem is Time, I think most of 41 either grew out of RSRP or bit the bullet and moved up to W42 (more features, better outfits, etc). Restarting 41 requires a lot of time and work with alot less reward than just sorta staying where we settled after 41 went under.

Like I said earlier though, if anyone wants to give it a shot I'll help out where I can. A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others.
-Ayn Rand

03-Apr-2017 23:05:54 - Last edited on 03-Apr-2017 23:11:48 by Lord Alexi

Caliph Karo

Caliph Karo

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My opinion is slightly more nuanced than this, but here's the short version (because lol character limits):

If W41 is willing to learn from its past mistakes, then it has a right to exist anew. There are many lessons which need learning, and here are some of them:

Don't kick out talented people, especially GMs, just because you feel like they threaten your precious IC/OOC power. You removed the storytellers from your RP community and then you wondered why there were suddenly no stories in W41.

If you tote democracy, fairness, and equal political say in the community, then don't create a Boss Tweed-styled political machine in W41, composed of all the people whose opinions align with yours. People aren't dumb. They saw how you used cronyism to build a power base and they got sick of it.

For God's sake, don't demonize anyone who tries to argue, debate, or dissent. You punished anyone who disagreed with the official narrative of W41, and then, once again, you wondered how the community had been mysteriously stripped of its creativity and diversity.

W41 is a society, composed of people. It died because people failed; don't sterilize your rhetoric and pretend that some sort of natural disaster struck it, and that you were powerless to prevent this damage from being done. Especially you, Horus. You loved being a de-facto 41 leader when the community was thriving, but now that it's a pile of bones and dust, you say wishy-washy things to distance yourself from its fate, in which you played a pivotal role. W41 didn't "die out," it was killed , and if you cannot come to terms with that fact while trying to rebuild, then you're deluding yourself, and sabotaging your own efforts from the start.

If we can acknowledge these shortcomings and vow never to repeat them, then W41 has a chance. If, on the other hand, we're going to let the same leaders commit the same fatal errors as before, then W41 should stay in the grave where it belongs. The Blood is Brave.

04-Apr-2017 01:19:34 - Last edited on 04-Apr-2017 03:35:59 by Caliph Karo

Caliph Karo

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Footnote: I don't wish to imply that you're the only responsible party, Horus, nor even the primary one. But you're a hypocrite right now because you were more than willing at the time to play accomplice to the "bosses" who were kicking out W41's most talented writers and gathering power for themselves. But now that W41 is dead you're one of the first people leaping forward, volunteering to participate in the renovation effort.

You, Blox, and Lucius especially, created a Tammany Hall out of all the roleplayers who agreed with you, the people who would "play nice" and never threaten your FC nor your IC landclaims. You directly effected W41's death by exterminating the people who you knew would be willing to challenge the status-quos of the community (predominantly, being daring enough to declare war on your territories when their storylines/character personalities demanded it). So I'm sort of sickened to see you volunteering to rebuild W41 as if doing so will absolve you of responsibility.

You can pretend the SA clan is to blame for all manners of W41's age-old problems, "elitism" and exclusivity and the like, but you cannot blame us for its inactive periods and its ultimate demise. Because unlike your system, whether you like it or not, ours resulted in actual RP, in an actual passion to write, create, compose, and cooperate. When you people kicked us out, in doing so, you demonstrated that you cared more about landclaims than you cared about creativity and storytelling. You saw us not as a creative force but a destructive one, perceiving us through the lens of landclaims instead of the lens of storytelling.

I harbor no sympathy for any of you unless you can admit to your personal mistakes which directly contributed to the community's downfall.

Are my posts "flamebait"? Maybe. Though if you call the mods to hide these posts and have us banned for speaking out against your transgressions, you're only proving that you have learned nothing. The Blood is Brave.

04-Apr-2017 01:34:53 - Last edited on 04-Apr-2017 01:50:03 by Caliph Karo

Lord Alexi

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Fyre isn't wrong.

The problem, albeit maybe one of many, is immaturity in 41. After all, we were mostly a society governed by adolescents. We let power fantasies supplant characterization. We let hunger for land get in the way of roleplays, and most importantly we forgot that conflict was always the lifeblood of 41.

Runescape is a shitty game. The fact they have enough money to keep servers running actually amazes me. However originally we used this to our advantage. We were ftp peasants, but we were also way more creative than 42. We made our own lore, we put extra time into designer realistic outfits.

As much as I hate to admit it, near the end of w41's life, Varrock became a communist state.

w41 was a place to share visions and create together. Instead we used it as a forum to project our own whims on others. As I said already, people wanted to rule, because there were people there to rule.

We can't get rid of conflict. That's what killed 41. We need to embrace it instead.

But between the forum mods, hypersensitivity, and what amounts to a vindictive player base, it's impossible to embrace conflict without also inevitable groupthink, an ingroup, and an outgroup.

Here's what we know.

1. 41 (as we knew it) can only be rebuilt by one of our own. Any outsider won't get the veterans

2. At this point half the vets hate the other half.

3. Both groups are needed and essential to evolve the world.

Alt, Dastan, I can't blame you for incompetence. I can blame you for abandoning the world when it became hard.

Dastan you boasted about resurrecting 41, but the fact of the matter is that no one person can do that and the mindset that you did is why it will inevitable fail. A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others.
-Ayn Rand

04-Apr-2017 01:49:48

Vlod VonVern
Jul Member 2020

Vlod VonVern

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I just want to address previous comments in regards to myself; I can't talk for others. I agree with most of what has been said; letting go of our past failures, or rather the failures of others, has been hard and acknowledging them even more so.

I also agree that the manner in which I tried to resurrect W41 wasn't ideal but, at the time, it worked. We had several months of strong activity that I, personally, believe was more consistant than what preceeded it and certainly more so than what came after. There was mention of denying storytelling( although this might be addressing a different matter in which case this point is rather moot) which I feel is untrue in regards to the restart/resurrection of W41; the entire mandate of that restart was to allow everyone a chance to tell their story.

I feel this is a vicious cycle of which I saw no end to and decided it'll be better to walk away than allow to continue. Inactivity within a community will always occur. There will always be a period in which activity peaks and another where activity falls. I no longer believe it is inherently a cause nor a symptom of W41's fall but rather a trait of the community. Giving up when the going got tough is what killed W41, of which we are all guilty parties.

Do I regret walking away? A part of me wants to but I've come to understand that W41, nor any other community, requires my effort and participation forever and it, as it has in the past, can easily walk away from me as I can walk away from it.

If an attempt at rebuilding the community were to occur, it would need new groundwork. Ultimately, there's nothing stopping anyone from roleplaying on the server; it doesn't belong to any of us and none of us can rightly claim it while we've abandonned it for so long.

I want to express my willingness to help in restoring a community on W41 but that my participation will be brief and only to give it a push start. I'm keeping W41 behind me as I walk forward. I have happy memories. Roll a D20 to pay respects.

05-Apr-2017 11:21:49

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