RuneScape Forum Archive | Why should anyone RP???

Nov

2023

Sonicteej

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For the record, accusing an entire subforum of ruining RP for you doesn't really do anything. It might make readers more angry, bitter, indignant or defensive, but is no way to affect change. I think mass-blaming is what has caused people to break into seemingly irreconcilable splinter communities in the first place.

Nothing has been resolved on the forums (or the community at large, as far as I can tell) in a long, long time and I think it's because people refuse to see themselves as part of the problem. The other Kandarin could go away today but the problem would persist if they didn't change their behavior. And if by "other Kandarin" you instantly think I mean the one you're not aligned with (for those us of that have picked sides, as it were), viola. Consider yourself part of the problem.

Of course, if you're still interested in roleplaying it hasn't actually been ruined. The splintering of the community means you can just join whatever group you want and very easily avoid OOC drama, now that the most contentious groups are no longer interacting IC.

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16-Jun-2019 17:19:54

Ghazgkull

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i don't really like the mass blaming part of my opening post but my thread would get hidden and locked if i named names. WAAAGH!!!

16-Jun-2019 17:35:25

Nov

2023

Sonicteej

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Ghazgkull said :
i don't really like the mass blaming part of my opening post but my thread would get hidden and locked if i named names.

That's true, sorry if it seemed like I was accusing you. Just goes to show how easy it is to make people defensive around here.

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16-Jun-2019 17:47:28

Hazbollah

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Sonicteej said :

Nothing has been resolved on the forums (or the community at large, as far as I can tell) in a long, long time and I think it's because people refuse to see themselves as part of the problem.

Some of you would do well to read this and have a little moment of self reflection. All these sins disguised as blessings

16-Jun-2019 17:47:56 - Last edited on 16-Jun-2019 17:48:42 by Hazbollah

Ghazgkull

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Sonicteej said :
Of course, if you're still interested in roleplaying it hasn't actually been ruined. The splintering of the community means you can just join whatever group you want and very easily avoid OOC drama, now that the most contentious groups are no longer interacting IC.

sounds lovely but i think i'll have to sit out for the time being. i'll be too busy to keep up with everything. WAAAGH!!!

16-Jun-2019 17:53:40

Jan

2018

Quael

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I rp because it's fun. Honestly we don't need the POK/POC to rp, what I run and what I do has a lot of pple chilled and enjoying rp. What you're seeing is one side of the community being childish. Then there is a side where it's more relaxed. Honestly. I ignore the POK/POC side.

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16-Jun-2019 17:57:31

Ghazgkull

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Quael said :
I rp because it's fun. Honestly we don't need the POK/POC to rp, what I run and what I do has a lot of pple chilled and enjoying rp. What you're seeing is one side of the community being childish. Then there is a side where it's more relaxed. Honestly. I ignore the POK/POC side.

is that right? then maybe pok's should just be banned. WAAAGH!!!

16-Jun-2019 19:52:18

Jul

2008

Nathmatics

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Quael said :
I rp because it's fun. Honestly we don't need the POK/POC to rp, what I run and what I do has a lot of pple chilled and enjoying rp. What you're seeing is one side of the community being childish. Then there is a side where it's more relaxed. Honestly. I ignore the POK/POC side.

Indeed, it's a shame more people don't go to it. The more the merrier.

Ghazgkull said :
Quael said :
I rp because it's fun. Honestly we don't need the POK/POC to rp, what I run and what I do has a lot of pple chilled and enjoying rp. What you're seeing is one side of the community being childish. Then there is a side where it's more relaxed. Honestly. I ignore the POK/POC side.

is that right? then maybe pok's should just be banned.

Here's the problem with that notion unfortunately:

There's always going to be that one person who wants to be the king of the castle, and people find the political RP to be quite interesting, with which I can agree, but due to certain behavior and such, activities that occur in-character can affect out-of-character interactions and vice versa. Ultimately ruining the whole concept.

This mentality gets worse when more than one person wants to be king of that specific castle, and this trickles into OOC discussion and interactions. Even if I'm oversimplifying a complex sequence of events, this causes things like the recent stuff regarding Kandarin.

Personally, I don't want to get involved with any of these POK's simply because of situations like these, and I'm sure a lot of other people don't either. If you see such large amounts of conflict in a community before you even join it, the last thing you're liable to do is want to join in unless you really, really like to stir shit up.

At best, I just watch and observe, and reserve my own opinions to myself, and if I come across newbies, I try to keep myself as neutral as possible.

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16-Jun-2019 22:35:28

Vekon

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Nathmatics said :
Here's the problem with that notion unfortunately:

There's always going to be that one person who wants to be the king of the castle, and people find the political RP to be quite interesting, with which I can agree, but due to certain behavior and such, activities that occur in-character can affect out-of-character interactions and vice versa. Ultimately ruining the whole concept.

This mentality gets worse when more than one person wants to be king of that specific castle, and this trickles into OOC discussion and interactions. Even if I'm oversimplifying a complex sequence of events, this causes things like the recent stuff regarding Kandarin.

Going to add onto this.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the PoK system. There never was. It's worked just fine for actual years nearing a decade, and problems like the ones we have now simply did not exist. Issues sprung up, but as a community things like that are inevitable; they were always small scale and worked out for the spirit of RP.

The problems arise when people stop following the rules and the conduct we structured our community around. In the past, rulebreakers would simply be ignored at large, not taken seriously, or straight up isolated. The community was large enough and had enough reasonable individuals to make that possible. That isn't the case anymore.

On top of that, there are some serious problems regarding several individuals in the community. Manipulating, peer-pressure, and individuals being strung along by others in the goal to be the end all be all of 42.

If I thought abolishing PoKs all together would help this, I certainly would be all for it. But it's been tried before, and what came of a PoK that tried not to be a PoK is what made people think rule-breaking was an okay avenue in the first place. It had literally the reverse effect.

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16-Jun-2019 22:58:12

Oct

2012

RiDaku

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Vekon said :
It's worked just fine for actual years nearing a decade, and problems like the ones we have now simply did not exist.

Nnnnnnnnnnnope.. the problems have existed since forever. Of course, not directly between PoK leaders. Because until "recently" (read; past 3 years or so), the people in the PoK system were mostly able to get along. Of course, there was Stelly and her Misthalin being the butt of every joke, but you'd always.. always... always see the same people cycling on and off of the various thrones in the human-settled regions. Handing it off to their friends, or even sometimes handing it off to themselves. Massive dramas kicking up whenever someone outside the friend group got power. I've heard more than enough about Sae and another person's Kandarins contesting one another. I know that despite how often people will tongue-bathe the Russia Blood era of Kandarin that it was just as big a disaster as this all is now.

Speaking as someone who only stepped up into properly leading a PoK in october because I was begged to, and kept it only to provide a welcome and safe area for people that wanted to taste that style of RP without all the backstabbing and OOC stress, the PoK system has never worked and it's been a massive source of toxicity on w42 since as long as I've been around. It just happens to get everybody riled up enough to somehow survive when everything else dies off in its wake.

But the people saying that the PoK system is too ingrained in what we specifically do are correct. It's too heavily inscribed in to our history and our genre. Nobody wants to play the second-in-command. Nobody wants to be humbled and restricted by the game's core NPC's, resetting things to factory default after a plot ends. Nobody wants what the oh-so-reviled Asgarnian Hub brought about (except for the people that were in it, who all now left.)

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16-Jun-2019 23:07:29

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