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NexOrigin

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North Dakota:


South Dakota:



They look really similar.

Of course, these are the Google graphs, which, as I explained earlier... aren't exactly honest.

But, look at how similar the two are. It's almost like they're the same state. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great! :)

31-Dec-2020 02:18:56

Averia Light

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Thank you for your patience, I am on a computer now - but probably only for a short time.

For reference, we locked down in mid-March until I believe the end of May and again at the end of November to January 15th (we are still in the second “pause” ).

I can see the 23,169 figure in your source and agree with it. Another important metric is "Adult Hospital Inpatient Bed Occupancy". which is 15,928. A simple calculation suggests that about 70% of all beds are filled throughout the state.

https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9753,7-406-98159-523641--,00.html

This number is confirmed here as well : https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/michigan/2020/11/17/tracking-michigan-hospital-capacity-during-covid-19/

Keep in mind that Whitmer stopped non-essential procedures from March through May. This was not repeated in the second shutdown in November.
https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-522451--,00.html

Anyway, the easiest way to prove if a lockdown worked for you as you seem fixated on the hospital beds metric would be to discuss hospital bed occupancy, which is easy enough.

Anyway, I found a site that took screenshots of the MHDDS site, which is a pain, but we know the peaks, so I will point you to those dates.

https://screenshots.covidtracking.com/michigan/

The pause started in Mid-November – I’m going to arbitarily choose November 17th and provide information in 7 day increments
Nov 17th – 16,951
Nov 24th – 17,034
Dec 1st – 16,346
Dec 8th – 16,031
Dec 15th – 16, 071
Dec 22nd – 15,329
Today – 15,928

Cont... And I swear I'm not going to let her know all the pain I have known

31-Dec-2020 02:35:16

Averia Light

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Just looking at it, it looks like we had a decrease of about 1,000 in-patient bed occupancy for hospitals in our state. On Nov 17th, it looks like 73% of the beds were taken up and using a less rounded number, now only 69% of the available beds are taken up. That is a decrease of 4%. It is possible that this is a “slower” part of the year and naturally hospitalizations are lower than other times of the year, however, I am going to let you prove that out if you want to.

We can compare it to June when we got out of the first lockdown, though to provide an example of how much of a difference the lockdown made.

June 5th – 14,160
This translates to a percentage of 61% of hospital bed occupancy. We can compare each of these numbers to numbers before this year for further examination as this was a weird year where a lot of people stayed inside, but I am le tired and I have to keep up with a toddler all weekend.

The below source suggests that 1 of every 3 beds are empty on any given day, which suggests a “normal” occupancy rate of around 66%, though. So, 74% would be an alarming amount.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-26/us-hospital-beds-were-already-maxed-out-before-coronavirus-pandemic

Given what we already know that happened in China and Italy as well as the infection rate of COVID, I'd say this makes a pretty strong case for proving lockdowns work in not overwhelming hospitals. The trends were clearly on an upward trajectory and they clearly go down in a lockdown. And I swear I'm not going to let her know all the pain I have known

31-Dec-2020 02:35:23 - Last edited on 31-Dec-2020 02:40:34 by Averia Light

Megycal
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Why on earth do people do things like this?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55514504
There were people leaving tier 4 areas, the highest category, to go hundreds of miles for a walk!!! I know there are nice places to exercise a lot closer to their homes. Smh. :|

02-Jan-2021 16:10:10

Joel
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Miles Prower said :
Another thing to be remembered about this pandemic is the selfish behaviour of those flouting the rules, having complete disregard for public safety. To add insult to injury, this is happening while the number of cases is increasing very fast indeed. What's most frustrating is not only those who flout the rules, but they'll then in a lot of cases be part of the problem they're complaining about.

So they don't like the measures in place, yet make every attempt to make the situation worse and adding to a situation where measures are increased, rather than relaxed. :/
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02-Jan-2021 23:45:15

Megycal
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Back to national lockdown but this time the vaccinations have started. Our government said the first 4 groups should have had their first jab by mid February. I hope they can reach that target. However I'm a bit worried I'll get missed during the vaccinations because my birthday is in February. At the moment I'm 1 year too young to be included with group 5 but after my birthday I'll be the right age. If that group has already been done will I have to wait for the next age range group ( 7 )? Group 6 are people 16 to 64 who have underlying health conditions which put them at incresed risk. I could fall through the cracks.. :P
edited because I'd got the group ages/numbers mixed up

05-Jan-2021 17:48:56 - Last edited on 05-Jan-2021 19:31:59 by Megycal

NexOrigin

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I saw this last night:

First covid vaccine site aerial view
https://youtu.be/TPm5ULNAsxE



Am I the only one who has an issue with "drive thru" vaccination sites? I mean, vaccines quite often have side affects, such as dizziness, and those symptoms generally present themselves within the first 20 minutes after getting the shot... like, these people are getting the shot, and then driving out onto the highway...

I swear... there is such a lack of logic in how this entire covid situation is being handled, that it almost seems like they're intentionally ignoring all logic. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great! :)

05-Jan-2021 19:16:19

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