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XSlay4DeathX said :
From a logic point of view, it's obviously the virus and not lockdown causing these issues, for the mental illness claims etc those are caused by lockdowns/stress of it all but lung issues after having covid 19? i think not, 100% from the virus itself. It's only "logical" if you start with the assumption that it was caused by the virus. If you forgo that assumption, the symptoms suggest a different cause.

XSlay4DeathX said :
The only issues lockdowns impose on people in harmful ways is snapping people's minds(changing their point of views/changing beliefs on some things), basically an overload of stress/events that happen that people can't come to terms with(shocks your mind and it alters slightly in many ways). That's not true at all. Studies have been done (long before covid) that directly indicate that long term indoor seclusion can have adverse physical and mental health affects, including things such as respiratory illnesses.

I linked to a few studies and articles regarding this earlier in the thread, if you interested. It starts roughly at this post:
NexOrigin said :
[That's an interesting rabbit hole to dive into.
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16-Dec-2020 18:50:58

2_Tron said :
People are 'born' to die, nothing can change that.
How much time is given between your birth and the day you die, is up to how your life is given shape by your parents and yourself. How someone will die is entirely dependend on a lot of factors. Living a good healthy life is one of them.
Is it bad to get covid-19? As long as it is behaving itself as a regular flue your body will prepare itself making it resistant so in the near future you will not face a reinfection and after being infected and recovered you will not need a vaccin.
You do realise that there a adults and children that have health problems that can live to a good age, if they get covid they could die <- these are the people we are protecting, sadly there are people who can't see past there own noses, who don't give a toss about people that have health problems.
As I mentioned earlier, a young boy with a hole in his heart can live to a great age, get married, have children, s/he can play sports and lead a healthy life, if they get covid they could die <- this is what we are protecting, not the majority of the world if they get covid WONT ever get lasting problems or death...

Please think of others that are in the minority.

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16-Dec-2020 19:21:05 - Last edited on 16-Dec-2020 19:23:10 by Dong U Dead

Dong U Dead said :
2_Tron said :
People are 'born' to die, nothing can change that.
How much time is given between your birth and the day you die, is up to how your life is given shape by your parents and yourself. How someone will die is entirely dependend on a lot of factors. Living a good healthy life is one of them.
Is it bad to get covid-19? As long as it is behaving itself as a regular flue your body will prepare itself making it resistant so in the near future you will not face a reinfection and after being infected and recovered you will not need a vaccin.
You do realise that there a adults and children that have health problems that can live to a good age, if they get covid they could die <- these are the people we are protecting, sadly there are people who can't see past there own noses, who don't give a toss about people that have health problems.
As I mentioned earlier, a young boy with a hole in his heart can live to a great age, get married, have children, s/he can play sports and lead a healthy life, if they get covid they could die <- this is what we are protecting, not the majority of the world who covid what cause ever lasting problems or death...

Please think of others.
That same boy with the hole in his heart, who could die from covid, could also die from the flu. Or die from a car accident.

Some people will literally die if they are near a peanut, even just smelling one is enough to cause anaphylactic shock in some people.

Do believe that all nuts should be banned from the general public, to protect the occasional person who may have a serious nut allergy?

Or is it the responsibility of those who have such conditions to protect themselves while they are in the general public? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

16-Dec-2020 19:29:24

16-Dec-2020 19:56:07 - Last edited on 16-Dec-2020 19:56:32 by Stoat King

XSlay4DeathX said :
Studies mean nothing to me TBH, the same studies that prove global warming is real.... They're not the same studies, trust me. lol

But yes, always try to make sure the studies you read are peer reviewed.


XSlay4DeathX said :
Only illnesses you can gain from indoors is air that isn't fresh and some air sprays(air wick etc, our lungs are only designed to intake air) but it won't give you covid 19 issues. <--prolonged foreign intake of false airs can cause lung cancer(even fumes from soaps under kitchen sink are not harmless) I'm confused. You're claiming that the "only illness" you can get from "indoor air" is cancer? Or am I reading that wrong?

I mean, there is plenty of evidence that proves that staying indoors for prolonged periods can cause health issues, of all kinds. Those same issues, are the same symptoms that people are claiming are a result of "long covid".

XSlay4DeathX said :
If you just got over covid 19 and you gained lung damage, safe to predict it was from that, vs the above. If you got over covid 7 months ago, and didn't have lung damage then, but 7 months later you had lung damage, that doesn't prove it was caused by covid. Correlation does not imply causation. Any number of things could have occurred during those 7 months.

There are a lot of things in your home that aren't "safe" that you might not even realize. Your house if full of VOCs, like formaldehyde, as it's used in most of the wood glue that's holding your house and furniture together.

And then there's radon:
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Radon is a radioactive gas that seeps from the soil and rocks under your home. Radon can enter a home through cracks in the foundation, walls, drains, and other openings. Exposure to radon in the home is the second leading cause of lung cancer.

https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=1&ContentID=2163

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16-Dec-2020 20:10:43

16-Dec-2020 20:15:28

Stoat King said :
I find this very interesting.
I have reasons to believe (not very good ones) that I, together with a whole bunch of people around here caught it very early on in March. Possibly earlier.
Anyway, fast forward to now and I have all the symptoms that you hear are the effects of having had covid. Weak lungs etc.
I had just assumed that this was a reasonable explanation and didnt give much thought.
However, you are dead right. Lockdown is an equally good explanation. Maybe better, because the effects of staying in one rather unhealthy flat, doing rather unhealthy things is far better known.
Of course, its likely unknowable. It could also be both. I wouldn't dismiss either as the cause. But it's important to at least acknowledge that there might be a secondary cause to the issues people are now having.

Considering how important Vitamin D is to the immune system, coupled with the evidence shown by more than 80% of those in the study with covid as having Vitamin D deficiencies... it's not hard to see that there might be something else affecting people. Especially when you start to factor in "depression" symptoms, and depression can affect your physical health as well.


Is It Possible to Become Physically Sick from Depression?

https://www.healthline.com/health/can-depression-make-you-sick

The Link Between Depression and Physical Symptoms

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC486942/

How Depression Affects Your Immune System

https://www.dispatchhealth.com/blog/how-depression-affects-your-immune-system/

Depression and associated physical diseases and symptoms

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181771/

It would be irresponsible to simply associate everything with covid, and not explore other possible causes for the issues people are suffering from. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

16-Dec-2020 20:22:42