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NexOrigin

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XSlay4DeathX said :
NexOrigin said :

That same boy with the hole in his heart, who could die from covid, could also die from the flu. Or die from a car accident.

Some people will literally die if they are near a peanut, even just smelling one is enough to cause anaphylactic shock in some people.

Do believe that all nuts should be banned from the general public, to protect the occasional person who may have a serious nut allergy?

Or is it the responsibility of those who have such conditions to protect themselves while they are in the general public?


What is with all the "he can die from this and that and this or this and even this, so let covid 19 kill him?".....when it's preventable with safety measures
Who should be taking the safety measures? The boy, who is at risk of many issues due to his condition, or the entire rest of society?

Take David Vetter for example. He spent his life living in a plastic bubble due to his severe combined immunodeficiency disorder. The rest of society didn't have to live in bubble to protect him from bacteria and viruses, he lived in the bubble, because it doesn't make sense to force the rest of society to live in a bubble to protect the minority of people who suffer from this. It's called "personal responsibility". People who are at risk should be ones taking the precautions to protect themselves. It shouldn't the responsibility of everyone else who isn't at risk to make sure that those at risk are safe.

Those who are at risk, should be wearing N95 masks.

However, there are cities that have banned the use of N95 masks in public, because they only protect the person wearing the mask from being infected, and don't filter outgoing air. The logic is that 'it doesn't protect others", when the person wearing it is trying to protect themselves because they might be in a high risk category.

You're not allowed to protect yourself, only others.

Lolgic.
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16-Dec-2020 21:27:42

NexOrigin

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XSlay4DeathX said :
Regarding the N95s just wear the 3 layer reuseable ones.
That doesn't protect you from the virus if you're in a high risk category.

It doesn't really protect anyone, considering that the virus can spread through aerosolized vapors. Sure, a 3 layer mask keeps you from spreading large droplets, but, it doesn't stop aerosolized vapors. It's winter in Canada now. You can literally see how much vapor comes out of your lungs. Masks don't stop that vapor. I can stand outside right now, and watch my breath go right through my mask.

Of course, Canada is one of the few countries that has been trying to downplay the whole "aerosolized vapor spread" facts, because, well, like I said, you can literally see the vapor going through the masks. You can't convince a population to wear a mask to "stop the spread" if they know that it's not actually working, and they can see it every time they breath outside in the cold.

XSlay4DeathX said :
those who do not want to follow the rules may as well get put in front of a firing squad TBH
"If you don't comply with the narrative, we should be allowed to kill you."

That's messed up, dude. Like, seriously messed up. O_o
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16-Dec-2020 22:58:51

NexOrigin

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XSlay4DeathX said :
This whole thing is test, "what are willing to do to save lives?"
I would wholeheartedly agree that this is definitely a compliance test.

XSlay4DeathX said :
i still say lockdowns at the start would have fixed this by now but governments aren't that smart.
I agree, but at that time, no one was listening, and anyone who tried to convince people of the impending outbreak were called "xenophobic", "fear mongers" and "conspiracy theorists".

At this point, you can't really stop the virus from spreading, and slowing down the spread simply gives the virus time to mutate. This is why the flu comes back every year. It mutates, and the previous vaccine no longer protects against it. If the virus moves through the general population in a relatively short period of time (while protecting those at risk) there should enough people who gained immunity to provide herd immunity for everyone else.

But, if you let the virus mutate in to numerous different strains, you can't build up herd immunity, since the general population would probably need to be infected with all the different strains, in order to gain herd immunity.


XSlay4DeathX said :
i will save those i can.

Except people who don't follow the rules, because those people might as well be shot, right?


Sometimes, ideologies can be far more dangerous than any virus outbreak. O_o


XSlay4DeathX said :
Everyone has a choice and motives for said choices
Yes. Absolutely yes. Don't ever forget that. There is so much more going on surrounding the outbreak than most people realize. And it's all driven by motives far beyond "public health and safety".

But what do I know eh? I'm just some random "conspiracy theorist" on the internet I guess.
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17-Dec-2020 00:32:34 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2020 00:35:32 by NexOrigin

C a z
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All of us are in completely unique situations.

Nothing in life is cut and dried.

Hopefully we all make decisions that are the best we can do in the given situation.
Remember Caz. Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

17-Dec-2020 00:42:23

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@NexOrigin:
We are talking about covid here, the effect of covid compared to the flu is not a comparison. Covid can kill him, flu not so much.
Covid is a killer. If covid gets into a rest home, many of the elderly will die who may have lived another 10 or 20 years.
As I said in an earlier post, a young couple died leaving there toddler behind <- this death or others like it may have been prevented if society listened to advise instead of roaming around with no mask, fighting for there rights...
Others have died because they didn't believe in what's been said and didn't protect themselves or went if to party's instead of safe distancing.
If everyone worked together, there wouldn't have been so many deaths.
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17-Dec-2020 01:03:24

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Stoat King said :
NexOrigin said :
XSlay4DeathX said :
You do know that covid 19 also has long lasting effects on some people right? Also the government had enough chances to stop it? but didn't because of profits....
Is there actual proof of this? Or is this just an assumption? I mean, I went over this a few pages back. It's easy to say "this was cause by covid" instead of actually investigating what the actual causes are. But that doesn't solve anything. You don't know that the effects of (what has been coined) "long covid" are caused by covid at all. You don't know that it's not caused by other factors during the lockdown. Obviously, those who are imposing lockdowns will never admit that their orders are causing health issues.

I find this very interesting.
I have reasons to believe (not very good ones) that I, together with a whole bunch of people around here caught it very early on in March. Possibly earlier.
Anyway, fast forward to now and I have all the symptoms that you hear are the effects of having had covid. Weak lungs etc.
I had just assumed that this was a reasonable explanation and didnt give much thought.
However, you are dead right. Lockdown is an equally good explanation. Maybe better, because the effects of staying in one rather unhealthy flat, doing rather unhealthy things is far better known.
Of course, its likely unknowable. It could also be both.

In NZ we were aloud to go out for walks or runs if we were covid free and stuck to the rules.
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17-Dec-2020 01:08:00

C a z
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XSlay4DeathX said :

My soul is bound to this earth so even if we all died, and the animals survived and world restored itself i'd be happy, but hopefully that isn't the outcome, many people in my books deserve to live. If it's preventable it's 100% worth it, i just want people realize the damage being done and stop it from happening, that's why covid 19 started, a massive lesson, this earth sadly doesn't give lessons for free, too many died.

My mind set is altered given my 7+ past lives, i see all these problems and there so easy to fix with like 5-18% less profits. Just have to put effort in for save lives with slightly less $$$ will save pollution but everyone remakes things over n over, destroy this, destroy that not caring for sharing the land. It's getting bad all over where i live, farms/fields all gone now.....oh well if the earth wants to fight back against us, i'm in full support but i will save those i can.


Perhaps if you are determined to chat about past lives that may belong on a thread you make yourself? I'm not sure many in this thread will take anything like that into account.
Remember Caz. Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

17-Dec-2020 01:19:36

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