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Joel said :
Firstly, leaders from nations around the world whether discussing individually with their own countries or collectively for more global efforts, to improve society as a whole for everyone isn't a bad thing? Or am I missing something? Isn't that the whole point? Why try and twist that into something more sinister? Because, as I've pointed out numerous times, the WHO hasn't exactly been "honest" or "accurate" with the data or it's advisories.


Joel said :
Secondly, please share with me a reputable source that has stated all humans on the planet will need to wear a mask for the rest of their lives or any statement from a leader of a given country that has stated that? Can you show me where I said "all humans on the planet will need to wear a mask for the rest of their lives"?
You're literally claiming I said things that I never said.

Don't start this shit again, of I'm just going to tell you fuck off again.


What I actually said:
NexOrigin said :
Yet, even after all the vaccinations, masks will still be mandatory. They've already stated that.

What do you consider a "reputable source"? The CDC?

Original message details are unavailable.

Do I need to wear a mask and avoid close contact with others if I have gotten 2 doses of the vaccine?

Yes. Not enough information is currently available to say if or when CDC will stop recommending that people wear masks and avoid close contact with others to help prevent the spread of the virus that causes COVID-19.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

Or, random doctors?

Ask Dr. Hamblin: So When Can We Stop Wearing Masks?
Hopefully one day, getting vaccinated will mean you no longer need a mask. But not yet.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/01/coronavirus-vaccine-masks-how-much-longer/617747/

What do you consider a "reputable source"? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

01-Feb-2021 20:37:05

Dadizar said :
Joel said :
@Dadizar,

I don't think people are getting the choice right now for which vaccine they get are they? Just whatever is available in a given country/area at a given time?

My mum had her first dose of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine last Saturday which I assume is the vaccine the UK is more commonly rolling out right now since its easy to store and manufactured within the UK. In my area i know what vaccines are being administered where.

I am

HOPING

for the Moderna vaccine, and, when my turn comes I will schedule it at a site that has been administering the Moderna vaccine and hope my research works. I hope your research pays off.

I've just been licking shopping cart handles. That's gotta be as good as half a vaccine, right?



I find it troubling that Canada has decided to delay the second doses of the Pfizer vaccine from the initial 21 days that was tested in the studies and recommended by Pfizer, to 42 days, due to "shortages" while at the same time they're buying vaccines for other countries. Canada put almost half a billion dollars into COVAX, which is now shipping out vaccines to other countries. Vaccines that Canadian taxpayers paid for, and now the Canadian taxpayers are being told that there isn't enough vaccines for Canadians.

Kinda reminds me of what happened with the masks... all over again. They send our stuff to other countries, and leave us with a shortage.

It's been over 42 days since the first vaccines rolled out in Quebec. They still haven't gotten their second dose yet:

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/day-42-after-first-covid-19-vaccines-and-still-no-second-dose-in-sight-as-quebec-steps-into-wilderness-experts-1.5281255

So now the government has pushed back the second to 90 days... from the original 21 days specified by Pfizer. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

01-Feb-2021 20:51:37

Joel said :
I'm not starting anything, just literally responding to exactly what you've said, which you've kindly re-quoted above. No need to resort to abuse is there? Simply unnecessary. Oh? But it's fine for you to resort to abusing me? You call me a fear mongerer, a conspiracy theorist... but heaven forbid I should reiterate anything back lest you be offended by it.

Joel said :
Exactly, all we know right now is that you getting yourself vaccinated doesn't give you as an individual a free pass to no longer wear a mask. That decision will be based on the collective efforts of vaccinations across an entire population. That's all anyone has really said, including your CDC quote above.

But you didn't make that clarification did you? Just made a blanket statement to lead people to believe that we'll all have to wear masks indefinitely, as a way for 'those higher powers' to control us, and make us undergo mandatory weekly anal swab testing (another baseless, blanket remark you've made today) for what? To make people concerned? It's a theme. No, no, YOU'RE the one who said indefinitely, not me. You didn't even ask for clarification, you just made the claim that I said something that I didn't.

Did I not provide a citation when asked? Yeah, I did. All you have to do is ask.

But you didn't even ask before you started making claims about things I didn't say.



Sod off, we're done. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

01-Feb-2021 21:05:49

Dude, we're not doing this again. You have a habit of taking what I say, twisting it, and then adding things to it that I never said, and then claiming I said it. This is why we weren't interacting on this thread for so long. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and once again, you've fallen back into the same habit. You also have this "rules for thee but not for me" ideology where you're allowed to make personal attacks on me, but if I do it, that's a problem.

I would love to sit and have this discussion with you, but, not like that. I don't want to have to sit there telling you over and over "That's not what I said" and me having to quote what I actually said. It's not fun.

I have no issues with you challenging something I have posted. Ask me to cite my sources, no problem, I can cite a source for every single claim I make.

But, why do you think you have to belittle me in the process? What's the point of that?

Have I been belittling you at all? No.


Joel said :
If you didn't mean what I and others thought you were trying to say, then just clarify rather than biting back, it doesn't need to be a heated argument. If you're adding words to something I said, then I shouldn't have to clarify that isn't what I said. Obviously if you're adding words, I didn't say those words. If YOU'RE not clear what I said, YOU can ask me to clarify it, rather than adding things that I didn't say, and then claiming I said it. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

01-Feb-2021 21:53:24

Joel said :
NexOrigin said :
Maybe not even when you're bending over for your weekly mandatory covid anal swab. But at some point, you will realize it. I hope for your sake, it's sooner than later. The sooner people wake up to what's happening beyond the virus, the sooner people can stop the spread. Was this a joke then? Because it sounded pretty literal and not sarcasm. You even double-downed afterwards to point out that this form of testing is more accurate so therefore why wouldn't this method be used? So how else should this have been interpreted? Is an anal swab more accurate than a nasal swab? Yes, it is. In fact, an anal swab can still test positive for weeks after a nasal swab has tested negative. With that in mind, which one is more likely to be used, should the situation reach a point at which the government is mandating testing? If things are at a point where the government will be forcing testing to be done, which one do you believe they would go with? The one that is more accurate, or the one that is less accurate? That's my point here. If it gets to that point, what makes you think they won't go with the most accurate testing available, to ensure that those infected are not infecting others?

I'm not predicting this is precisely what is going to happen, I'm simply presenting the information that is currently available. So, yeah, it's a bit of a joke, but it's based entirely on current facts.


If the government can enforce mandatory vaccinations for the population (such as they do in 3 provinces in Canada already), they most certainly can issue mandatory testing for the population as well. Right now, it's only travelers that are mandated to be tested. That might change. And the types of tests may change as well. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

01-Feb-2021 22:42:15