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Joel
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All day, with the comments being made, there's just been this underlying theme of "watch out! The powers that be will take away your rights if you're not careful" essentially. I understand your need to placate yourself with the sense of security, believing that those who are responsible for ensuring your safety are actually acting in your best interests.
If that's what you need to do in order to cope, that's fine, I understand that.
However, that doesn't mean the rest of us should simply ignore facts that arise. History is full of governments doing horrendous things on their own citizens. Take the Great Leap Forward for example, that resulted in a food shortage epidemic that resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of people.
If only someone had said "Hey, you guys need to be paying attention, they're not acting in your best interests"....
I'm pointing out things that don't make sense, are illogical, or have no basis in science. I'm also pointing out those in power who are either lying, incompetent, or both.
If the things I say make you worry (as you're calling me a fear monger), maybe that's something you should look into? Or not, you can just live blissfully hoping that the government is acting in your best interests.
Think about it man... the WHO specifically came out and advocated AGAINST wearing masks, stating that the general population wearing masks could cause health issues and increase the spread. Now they're saying the opposite. What happened to the science? The science
changed within weeks of them saying it was a health concern?
If mask mandates worked... then why do all these different places have a huge increase in cases after mask mandates are instituted? How does that work?
North and South Dakota both have the same trend in terms of case numbers. North Dakota was under strict lockdown, while South Dakota wasn't. How does that work? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
All day, with the comments being made, there's just been this underlying theme of "watch out! The powers that be will take away your rights if you're not careful" essentially. I understand your need to placate yourself with the sense of security, believing that those who are responsible for ensuring your safety are actually acting in your best interests.
If that's what you need to do in order to cope, that's fine, I understand that.
However, that doesn't mean the rest of us should simply ignore facts that arise. History is full of governments doing horrendous things on their own citizens. Take the Great Leap Forward for example, that resulted in a food shortage epidemic that resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of people.
If only someone had said "Hey, you guys need to be paying attention, they're not acting in your best interests"....
I'm pointing out things that don't make sense, are illogical, or have no basis in science. I'm also pointing out those in power who are either lying, incompetent, or both.
If the things I say make you worry (as you're calling me a fear monger), maybe that's something you should look into? Or not, you can just live blissfully hoping that the government is acting in your best interests.
Think about it man... the WHO specifically came out and advocated AGAINST wearing masks, stating that the general population wearing masks could cause health issues and increase the spread. Now they're saying the opposite. What happened to the science? The science
changed within weeks of them saying it was a health concern?
If mask mandates worked... then why do all these different places have a huge increase in cases after mask mandates are instituted? How does that work?
North and South Dakota both have the same trend in terms of case numbers. North Dakota was under strict lockdown, while South Dakota wasn't. How does that work? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
01-Feb-2021 23:00:59
99 Div Skill
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Glad I'm not in Canada. That sounds crazy The one positive thing is that if you live outside of the major cities, your property value has gone up drastically. It's a complete sellers market out in the boonies right now, as people are trying to escape from the cities.
Houses around here are selling way above market price. One of the homeowners nearby put his house up for sale for like $100k above market price. Within the first day, he had 10 solid offers, with not a single person even coming to look at the house. The house sold the next day for $80k over his asking price, sight unseen.
Silver lining? Maybe I should sell my house for like, $600k, and move in with my GF?
Who knows, but, if things continue the way they're going, my house is just going to be worth even more as more and more people are fleeing from the cities. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
Glad I'm not in Canada. That sounds crazy The one positive thing is that if you live outside of the major cities, your property value has gone up drastically. It's a complete sellers market out in the boonies right now, as people are trying to escape from the cities.
Houses around here are selling way above market price. One of the homeowners nearby put his house up for sale for like $100k above market price. Within the first day, he had 10 solid offers, with not a single person even coming to look at the house. The house sold the next day for $80k over his asking price, sight unseen.
Silver lining? Maybe I should sell my house for like, $600k, and move in with my GF?
Who knows, but, if things continue the way they're going, my house is just going to be worth even more as more and more people are fleeing from the cities. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
01-Feb-2021 23:07:17 - Last edited on 01-Feb-2021 23:08:00 by NexOrigin
Joel
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I never once disputed the facts of anal swabbing lol. And I never said you did...
Joel said :
IWhat I questioned was you suggesting it could be mandated when there's no evidence to suggest that, which lead me to call that remark out as fear-mongering. And I explained my reasoning. Just because you disagree with my reasoning, doesn't make me a fear monger, or a conspiracy theorist. It just means you don't agree with me.
Joel said :
in what logical way could mandating nationwide testing now achieve that it couldn't currently or in the past year? You would know exactly who is infected, and who isn't, and those who are infected could be properly quarantined. What other purpose do you believe it could serve, other than a more accurate listing of who is infected?
Joel said :
and not once has the government mandated testing for the general public Except if you want to travel. Then it's mandated. In a few months it might be "if you want non-essential businesses and services to reopen". It's always little by little by little. And they always claim it's "just temporary".
"Two weeks to flatten the curve"
Joel said :
Because technically, we could be mandated to do anything, but most of the time, the chances of such things happening are so minuscule, it's not even worth mentioning, unless of course you want to stoke fear or alarm. The Quebec curfew is unconstitutional. It literally violates Canada's constitution. But they're doing it anyways, regardless of the lawsuits that are now pending. They're violating constitutional rights, and they're getting away with it. Even though there's no science behind the curfew. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
I never once disputed the facts of anal swabbing lol. And I never said you did...
Joel said :
IWhat I questioned was you suggesting it could be mandated when there's no evidence to suggest that, which lead me to call that remark out as fear-mongering. And I explained my reasoning. Just because you disagree with my reasoning, doesn't make me a fear monger, or a conspiracy theorist. It just means you don't agree with me.
Joel said :
in what logical way could mandating nationwide testing now achieve that it couldn't currently or in the past year? You would know exactly who is infected, and who isn't, and those who are infected could be properly quarantined. What other purpose do you believe it could serve, other than a more accurate listing of who is infected?
Joel said :
and not once has the government mandated testing for the general public Except if you want to travel. Then it's mandated. In a few months it might be "if you want non-essential businesses and services to reopen". It's always little by little by little. And they always claim it's "just temporary".
"Two weeks to flatten the curve"
Joel said :
Because technically, we could be mandated to do anything, but most of the time, the chances of such things happening are so minuscule, it's not even worth mentioning, unless of course you want to stoke fear or alarm. The Quebec curfew is unconstitutional. It literally violates Canada's constitution. But they're doing it anyways, regardless of the lawsuits that are now pending. They're violating constitutional rights, and they're getting away with it. Even though there's no science behind the curfew. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
01-Feb-2021 23:27:40
There are so many restrictions that have no basis in science at all.
For example, in Ontario you can only have 25 people on a public skating rink at once. However, that's only if you're NOT playing hockey. Hockey for some reason, has been banned from all public skating rinks. (except if you're a politician, then you can rent the entire rink for you and your buddies).
Then there are things like this:
Police allegedly peer through window, issue fines for illegal dinner gathering
Somehow, 500 people at Walmart isn't a health issue, but 11 people at a dinner (when the limit is 10 people) is somehow such a health hazard that it requires thousands of dollars in fines.
Where's the logic?
I'm a very logic oriented person. I need clear rules, and clear logic. That's why I enjoyed software development for so many years; it's entirely logic based.
The regulations and orders that are being instituted in different places are so illogical in some cases that it really bothers me how much of a lack of logic there is.
Joel said :
Being worried about being mandated to undergo weekly backend Covid tested is not something I or anyone should deem a credible/likely thing to happen given the circumstances so therefore shouldn't really be discussed as its not worth the time.
In the same way, its not worth the time discussing microchips in vaccines when there's no evidence to suggest that this is something real or is happening, or that the Earth is flat despite what some people on the planet believe.
The difference is that the anal swabbing is literally happening, just not here yet. The microchips don't exist at all. You're trying to conflate things with a comparison that isn't apt. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
For example, in Ontario you can only have 25 people on a public skating rink at once. However, that's only if you're NOT playing hockey. Hockey for some reason, has been banned from all public skating rinks. (except if you're a politician, then you can rent the entire rink for you and your buddies).
Then there are things like this:
Police allegedly peer through window, issue fines for illegal dinner gathering
https://youtu.be/HRYO_Bo5MU8
Somehow, 500 people at Walmart isn't a health issue, but 11 people at a dinner (when the limit is 10 people) is somehow such a health hazard that it requires thousands of dollars in fines.
Where's the logic?
I'm a very logic oriented person. I need clear rules, and clear logic. That's why I enjoyed software development for so many years; it's entirely logic based.
The regulations and orders that are being instituted in different places are so illogical in some cases that it really bothers me how much of a lack of logic there is.
Joel said :
Being worried about being mandated to undergo weekly backend Covid tested is not something I or anyone should deem a credible/likely thing to happen given the circumstances so therefore shouldn't really be discussed as its not worth the time.
In the same way, its not worth the time discussing microchips in vaccines when there's no evidence to suggest that this is something real or is happening, or that the Earth is flat despite what some people on the planet believe.
The difference is that the anal swabbing is literally happening, just not here yet. The microchips don't exist at all. You're trying to conflate things with a comparison that isn't apt. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
01-Feb-2021 23:38:13 - Last edited on 01-Feb-2021 23:39:11 by NexOrigin
FiFi LaFeles
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A 1984 scenario is not waiting just around the corner for us. Citation please? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
A 1984 scenario is not waiting just around the corner for us. Citation please? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
02-Feb-2021 00:07:39
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