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Megycal
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This coronavirus hasn't been present in the worldwide human population for 5, 10, 20 years so the science around it has changed and is still changing. Therefore the advice given by the experts must also change as new things are discovered.
FiFi LaFeles said :
Yes, those mentioned above originally pooh-poohed the wearing of masks way back when in the same way smoking was promoted to be 'good'. The virus was new, they had little knowledge of it. With greater knowledge and understanding they reversed their advice, changed their narrative, in the same way as was done for smoking.
Viruses and masks are not new. This virus is not a new phenomenon. There's a reason why it's called the SARS-COV-2 virus. This is the second coronavirus of this specific type that we have seen an outbreak of.
The science behind how a mask works hasn't changed. It doesn't matter what kind of airborne respiratory virus it is, the science behind the mask is exactly the same. This kind of research was extensively done after the SARS-COV-1 virus outbreak, almost 20 years ago. Even before that, the efficacy of facemasks against viruses such as influenza were done.
This is not new science. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
This coronavirus hasn't been present in the worldwide human population for 5, 10, 20 years so the science around it has changed and is still changing. Therefore the advice given by the experts must also change as new things are discovered.
FiFi LaFeles said :
Yes, those mentioned above originally pooh-poohed the wearing of masks way back when in the same way smoking was promoted to be 'good'. The virus was new, they had little knowledge of it. With greater knowledge and understanding they reversed their advice, changed their narrative, in the same way as was done for smoking.
Viruses and masks are not new. This virus is not a new phenomenon. There's a reason why it's called the SARS-COV-2 virus. This is the second coronavirus of this specific type that we have seen an outbreak of.
The science behind how a mask works hasn't changed. It doesn't matter what kind of airborne respiratory virus it is, the science behind the mask is exactly the same. This kind of research was extensively done after the SARS-COV-1 virus outbreak, almost 20 years ago. Even before that, the efficacy of facemasks against viruses such as influenza were done.
This is not new science. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
01-Feb-2021 12:45:28
In other news.
Captain Sir Tom Moore in hospital with coronavirus.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-55881508
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Captain Sir Tom Moore in hospital with coronavirus.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-55881508
Wishing him a speedy recover. He has done some much for the NHS and the whole World. Comprehensive Account Security
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01-Feb-2021 13:02:44
FiFi LaFeles
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Science doesn't just stand still. Has the science on how an oxygen and two hydrogen molecules become water changed since it was discovered? Not all science changes. Some things remain the same, regardless of how much time passes. There wasn't any big advancement in facemask technology that would have changed how the science works since the last outbreak. They're still using the same surgical and N95 masks that were 20 years ago. Nothing along the lines of "mask science" has changed. The only thing that changed was the narrative.
They were either lying when they said masks don't work, or they're lying when they say that masks do work.
Either way, why based your scientific understanding of something on the word of those whom you know would lie to you?
Doesn't that seem rather naive?
What is it that you think they discovered about masks that wasn't previously known? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
Science doesn't just stand still. Has the science on how an oxygen and two hydrogen molecules become water changed since it was discovered? Not all science changes. Some things remain the same, regardless of how much time passes. There wasn't any big advancement in facemask technology that would have changed how the science works since the last outbreak. They're still using the same surgical and N95 masks that were 20 years ago. Nothing along the lines of "mask science" has changed. The only thing that changed was the narrative.
They were either lying when they said masks don't work, or they're lying when they say that masks do work.
Either way, why based your scientific understanding of something on the word of those whom you know would lie to you?
Doesn't that seem rather naive?
What is it that you think they discovered about masks that wasn't previously known? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
01-Feb-2021 14:36:18
Joel
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We've been over this Nex... back last year.
You know there was a PPE shortage very early on right? You must know, it was brought up countless times in this thread back last year.
Perhaps that played a part in the conflicting messaging, in an attempt to prioritize PPE for medical & frontline workers. Not condoning the mixed messaging but it was a pretty tough spot to be in, in that circumstance. Where did the PPE go? Hmm? Oh, that's right, almost every country was facing a shortage because all the countries shipped their PPE to China (even though China is the #1 producer of PPE), who then refused to export any further masks for several months, and when they did start to export, they were charging more, and providing substandard quality masks. But that's a whole other story to this whole mess.
But, umm... if people are now being encouraged to wear cloth facemasks, why were they not encouraged to wear cloth masks when the "PPE shortage" occurred?
If a cloth facemask provides protection, why were they all saying "Masks don't work" instead of "wear a cloth facemask"?
There was no shortage of cloth facemasks. They were in ready supply, and could easily be made at home if you couldn't buy one.
At some point, you're going to realize that you've been played. It might not be today. It might not be next week, or next month. Maybe not even when you're bending over for your weekly mandatory covid anal swab. But at some point, you will realize it. I hope for your sake, it's sooner than later. The sooner people wake up to what's happening beyond the virus, the sooner people can stop the spread.
You know what comes to mind right now?
The Allegory of the Cave, and how the media plays the part of the shadows, in today's world.
At some point, maybe you'll see the truth in why they call it "television programming". It's there to program your mind. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
We've been over this Nex... back last year.
You know there was a PPE shortage very early on right? You must know, it was brought up countless times in this thread back last year.
Perhaps that played a part in the conflicting messaging, in an attempt to prioritize PPE for medical & frontline workers. Not condoning the mixed messaging but it was a pretty tough spot to be in, in that circumstance. Where did the PPE go? Hmm? Oh, that's right, almost every country was facing a shortage because all the countries shipped their PPE to China (even though China is the #1 producer of PPE), who then refused to export any further masks for several months, and when they did start to export, they were charging more, and providing substandard quality masks. But that's a whole other story to this whole mess.
But, umm... if people are now being encouraged to wear cloth facemasks, why were they not encouraged to wear cloth masks when the "PPE shortage" occurred?
If a cloth facemask provides protection, why were they all saying "Masks don't work" instead of "wear a cloth facemask"?
There was no shortage of cloth facemasks. They were in ready supply, and could easily be made at home if you couldn't buy one.
At some point, you're going to realize that you've been played. It might not be today. It might not be next week, or next month. Maybe not even when you're bending over for your weekly mandatory covid anal swab. But at some point, you will realize it. I hope for your sake, it's sooner than later. The sooner people wake up to what's happening beyond the virus, the sooner people can stop the spread.
You know what comes to mind right now?
The Allegory of the Cave, and how the media plays the part of the shadows, in today's world.
At some point, maybe you'll see the truth in why they call it "television programming". It's there to program your mind. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
01-Feb-2021 15:32:25 - Last edited on 01-Feb-2021 15:53:36 by NexOrigin
I'm not getting into where it went, why and by who. Yes, we know PPE was exported to China. I am more targeting the matter at hand, there WAS a PPE shortage regardless of the reasons why, poor preparation, incompetence and so on.
Mixed messaging in an attempt to prevent or minimize panic buying to preserve PPE for frontline workers would have no doubt happened regardless of whether the recommendation was to use proper masks, or just face coverings. Bearing in mind, since the general public were meant to be in lockdown, limiting interactions and exposure to one another, priority was obviously needed for frontline workers.
NexOrigin said :
Maybe not even when you're bending over for your weekly mandatory covid anal swab. But at some point, you will realize it. I hope for your sake, it's sooner than later. The sooner people wake up to what's happening beyond the virus, the sooner people can stop the spread. Ok, lol. Now you're sounding ridiculous lol.
The great reset eh? New world order, to track and control the world population! But not the almighty Nex!
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Mixed messaging in an attempt to prevent or minimize panic buying to preserve PPE for frontline workers would have no doubt happened regardless of whether the recommendation was to use proper masks, or just face coverings. Bearing in mind, since the general public were meant to be in lockdown, limiting interactions and exposure to one another, priority was obviously needed for frontline workers.
NexOrigin said :
Maybe not even when you're bending over for your weekly mandatory covid anal swab. But at some point, you will realize it. I hope for your sake, it's sooner than later. The sooner people wake up to what's happening beyond the virus, the sooner people can stop the spread. Ok, lol. Now you're sounding ridiculous lol.
The great reset eh? New world order, to track and control the world population! But not the almighty Nex!
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01-Feb-2021 15:51:17 - Last edited on 01-Feb-2021 15:52:47 by Joel
Joel
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Mixed messaging in an attempt to prevent or minimize panic buying to preserve PPE for frontline workers So the options were either tell the public not to wear masks because they don't stop the spread, or issue an order banning the sale of PPE to the general public and encourage cloth mask use.
Which did they chose? They chose to tell people not to wear masks. Why is that? Is it because they were citing science? Or is it because they wanted the virus to spread?
It certainly wasn't because they couldn't figure out a way to stop stores from selling them to the general public.
You can't buy a hairdryer. It's not "essential".
You can't buy a coffee maker. It's not "essential".
If they didn't want stores selling PPE to the general public, they would have simply stopped stores from selling PPE to the general public.
Instead, they told people that "Masks don't stop the spread".
Joel said :
NexOrigin said :
Maybe not even when you're bending over for your weekly mandatory covid anal swab. But at some point, you will realize it. I hope for your sake, it's sooner than later. The sooner people wake up to what's happening beyond the virus, the sooner people can stop the spread. Ok, lol. Now you're sounding ridiculous lol. Which part is the ridiculous part? The mandatory covid testing, or the anal swab testing?
At what point do you think they're going to start making covid testing mandatory?
Seeing as the anal swabs are far more accurate than the nasal swab, which testing do you think they will utilize for mandatory testing? The accurate one, or the inaccurate one?
If you're going to force the population to take mandatory testing, you're going to use the most accurate testing possible, which would be the anal swabs. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
Mixed messaging in an attempt to prevent or minimize panic buying to preserve PPE for frontline workers So the options were either tell the public not to wear masks because they don't stop the spread, or issue an order banning the sale of PPE to the general public and encourage cloth mask use.
Which did they chose? They chose to tell people not to wear masks. Why is that? Is it because they were citing science? Or is it because they wanted the virus to spread?
It certainly wasn't because they couldn't figure out a way to stop stores from selling them to the general public.
You can't buy a hairdryer. It's not "essential".
You can't buy a coffee maker. It's not "essential".
If they didn't want stores selling PPE to the general public, they would have simply stopped stores from selling PPE to the general public.
Instead, they told people that "Masks don't stop the spread".
Joel said :
NexOrigin said :
Maybe not even when you're bending over for your weekly mandatory covid anal swab. But at some point, you will realize it. I hope for your sake, it's sooner than later. The sooner people wake up to what's happening beyond the virus, the sooner people can stop the spread. Ok, lol. Now you're sounding ridiculous lol. Which part is the ridiculous part? The mandatory covid testing, or the anal swab testing?
At what point do you think they're going to start making covid testing mandatory?
Seeing as the anal swabs are far more accurate than the nasal swab, which testing do you think they will utilize for mandatory testing? The accurate one, or the inaccurate one?
If you're going to force the population to take mandatory testing, you're going to use the most accurate testing possible, which would be the anal swabs. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
01-Feb-2021 16:14:09
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