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Sep

2005

Megycal

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Having given birth twice ( 2nd baby was almost 10lbs and was a natural unassisted delivery ) having to do an anal swab wouldn't bother me at all. You lose a lot of your dignity when you're pregnant ..

I've been wearing cloth face masks since some time in April, I've been using them for so long I can't remember exact date I started. I remember reading at the time that they could help reduce the spread of the virus. It doesn't hurt me to use them so why not? Since then it has been confirmed that they do help. OK so its not 100% or even 90% but every little helps.

01-Feb-2021 16:34:20

NexOrigin

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Joel, it's not about science anymore.

Explain the science behind issuing a curfew between 8pm and 5am. Does covid come out night? Except for people with dogs?

They closed the homeless shelters in Montreal, and then started issuing tickets to the homeless people because they were outdoors after curfew. A homeless man died in the cold in a porta-potty after they kicked everyone out of the shelter at 8pm.

They issued around a million dollars in fines, within the first 3 days of the curfew. That money isn't going towards PPE or vaccines, that money is going towards billboards, signs, and tv advertisements about covid awareness.

Where does the science come into play? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

01-Feb-2021 16:40:36

NexOrigin

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Megycal said :
Having given birth twice ( 2nd baby was almost 10lbs and was a natural unassisted delivery ) having to do an anal swab wouldn't bother me at all. You lose a lot of your dignity when you're pregnant ..

That's understandable.

However... have a look at the photo of the swab site:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/china-deploys-anal-swabs-to-test-for-covid-19-1.5283930

It's literally booths, lined up beside each other, by the dozen.

People literally line up, drop their drawers in front of everyone, and get their swab. This isn't some private hospital room. There's not even a curtain or anything to hide behind.

It's almost as if they designed it specifically to demoralize people.

And the best part?

You get to look directly at everyone else in line when you're getting your swab.

Smile!

I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

01-Feb-2021 16:46:34 - Last edited on 01-Feb-2021 16:47:37 by NexOrigin

Feb

2005

Joel

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Were you in the room when those choices (and only those 2 choices) were laid out? Or are you speculating? Or was it less of an issue of the sale of PPE but more of an issue of manufacturing?

Stores/Suppliers can't sell what they don't have. The shortage very early on was a lack of supply, therefore more manufacturing was needed, and at much larger capacity than normal.

Again, the general public didn't need PPE as much as frontline workers did and in that moment (regardless of the reasons) available supply was short. Hopefully some lessons will be taken out of that to not let that happen again but that will remain to be seen.

What I quoted, in its entirety, was ridiculous. We're nearly a year into this and now at the point of slow vaccine roll-out, so why would now be the right time to roll-out sweeping mandatory weekly testing for every single person? And not just the nasal or mouth swab, but one up the backside!

Although countries like Canada are now requiring a test upon arrival into Canadian airports, at least Toronto Pearson is. But even that is temporary to curb the current increased rates of cases and deaths we've been experiencing and that's hardly requiring the population to go through mandatory testing, only those who are meant to be travelling for essential reasons which will be an extremely small %.

In addition, throughout this year as more vaccine rollout takes place and we start to see the benefits of that, these temporary measures will not be as necessary.

So your remarks about widespread mandatory anal testing for everyone is about is ridiculous as vaccines having trackers installed by Bill Gates to control and track us.

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01-Feb-2021 16:46:44

Sep

2005

Megycal

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NexOrigin said :
Megycal said :
Having given birth twice ( 2nd baby was almost 10lbs and was a natural unassisted delivery ) having to do an anal swab wouldn't bother me at all. You lose a lot of your dignity when you're pregnant ..

That's understandable.

However... have a look at the photo of the swab site:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/china-deploys-anal-swabs-to-test-for-covid-19-1.5283930

It's literally booths, lined up beside each other, by the dozen.

People literally line up, drop their drawers in front of everyone, and get their swab. This isn't some private hospital room. There's not even a curtain or anything to hide behind.

It's almost as if they designed it specifically to demoralize people.

And the best part?

You get to look directly at everyone else in line when you're getting your swab.

Smile!

Just because that's how one country decides to carry out the testing doesn't mean they'll all be like that. The populations of many wouldn't put up with that system and you know it.

01-Feb-2021 16:53:39

Feb

2005

Joel

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NexOrigin said :
Joel, it's not about science anymore.

Explain the science behind issuing a curfew between 8pm and 5am. Does covid come out night? Except for people with dogs? I assume you're referring to Quebec?

I would assume this was an attempt to encourage people to stay home rather get together indoors with friends and family (since we're now in winter) after work, since the typical work hours are 9-5. Not without its criticism though.

I know here in Ontario the provincial government had non identifying cell phone data that indicated to them how much people were moving around, coupled with analysis of traffic camera data and last I checked on that front, they wanted a more specific drill-down to see days of the week & times of the day where people were leaving home. Not sure if they got that data or not.

But last I read, based on that data, it indicated people were starting to listen to the stay at home orders which is why Ontario I think who were also considering a curfew didn't end up going down that route.

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01-Feb-2021 16:58:16

NexOrigin

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Even in the face of "temporary" mandatory testing, you're still naive enough to argue that they won't order mandatory testing.

They don't start out by stripping you of all your rights and dignity all at once. No one would go for that. They chip away, bit by bit, slowly and steadily.

Did they start out by issuing mask orders? Nope. It was voluntary. Now it's mandatory. Were stay-at-home orders issued at the start? Nope. It was voluntary. Now it's mandatory (in certain places).

Do you see the pattern yet?

Joel said :
But even that is temporary to curb the current increased rates of cases and deaths Two weeks to slow the curve, right? Isn't that what they said? It was "just temporary". Here we are, almost a year later, with even more restrictions and lockdowns in place.

You know what's sad? I watched Viva Frei talk about an experience he had in a pharmacy. A homeless man was in line in front of him, and he was trying to buy socks. The cashier told him that they couldn't sell him socks, because they weren't "essential items". Even after the man lifted up his pants to show that he had no socks inside his shoes, they still refused to sell him socks because they didn't want to get issued a fine for selling "non-essential" items... for selling socks... In the middle of winter... in Canada.

Where's the science that says socks are not essential during the winter months of Canada?

Joel said :
We're nearly a year into this and now at the point of slow vaccine roll-out, so why would now be the right time to roll-out sweeping mandatory weekly testing for every single person? Because vaccinated people can still get the virus and transmit it to other people? The vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting the virus, it simply prevents you from get the symptoms. You can still transmit it after getting the vaccine. Or is that not part of the science? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

01-Feb-2021 17:10:07

NexOrigin

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Megycal said :
NexOrigin said :
Megycal said :
Having given birth twice ( 2nd baby was almost 10lbs and was a natural unassisted delivery ) having to do an anal swab wouldn't bother me at all. You lose a lot of your dignity when you're pregnant ..

That's understandable.

However... have a look at the photo of the swab site:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/china-deploys-anal-swabs-to-test-for-covid-19-1.5283930

It's literally booths, lined up beside each other, by the dozen.

People literally line up, drop their drawers in front of everyone, and get their swab. This isn't some private hospital room. There's not even a curtain or anything to hide behind.

It's almost as if they designed it specifically to demoralize people.

And the best part?

You get to look directly at everyone else in line when you're getting your swab.

Smile!

Just because that's how one country decides to carry out the testing doesn't mean they'll all be like that. The populations of many wouldn't put up with that system and you know it. I would hope they wouldn't. But then again, I would hope that the people of China wouldn't put up with that either, but, here they are, standing in line to bend over.

If you go outside after curfew in Quebec, it's $1000-$6000 fine.

Who is to say that they won't issue fines for people who refuse to be tested?

For $6000, are you gonna open your wallet or your buttcheeks? ^_^

I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

01-Feb-2021 17:13:49

Feb

2005

Joel

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Back on the bandwagon of fear-mongering again are we? What evidence is there that this is some great new world order, where every powerful leader worldwide has suddenly decided to band together and get their populations to comply with whatever sanctions they put in place?

Most public health measures that have been put in place have been implemented in a way to respond to the current situation at hand. Cases and deaths dropped going into last summer so restrictions were relaxed and some lifted. They started increasing in October time so they re-implemented and tightened restrictions once again, based on how the situation needed it.

If this was some sort of attempt to strip people of their rights, slowly but surely, why were restrictions lifted in the summer? Surely, you'd want to maintain course and slowly increase restrictions (if that is indeed the end goal of this 'higher power' or whoever you think is behind this new world order).

In regards to selling socks etc, won't disagree with you, there's been countless questionable decisions on what's permitted to be sold and so on.

NexOrigin said :
Because vaccinated people can still get the virus and transmit it to other people? The vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting the virus, it simply prevents you from get the symptoms. You can still transmit it after getting the vaccine. Or is that not part of the science? Exactly, and what happens when you don't get the symptoms or it severely limits them? Less people get seriously sick, less people die and therefore it become a less dangerous virus to us, therefore rendering the current public health measures less necessary right?

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01-Feb-2021 17:31:24 - Last edited on 01-Feb-2021 17:35:40 by Joel

NexOrigin

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Joel said :
Back on the bandwagon of fear-mongering again are we? What evidence is there that this is some great new world order, where every powerful leader worldwide has suddenly decided to band together and get their populations to comply with whatever sanctions they put in place? You're kidding, right? They're all part of the United Nations. They all get their health and safety guidance from the WHO (which is a part of the UN). Agenda 21 isn't some conspiracy theory. It's the UN's actual agenda, and they're not secretive about it.

No one is being secretive about The Great Reset either.

COVID-19: The Great Reset

https://youtu.be/VHRkkeecg7c

Great Reset Dialogues | Six leaders discuss why we must reform the social contract after COVID-19

https://youtu.be/ddGQTcuV-eg

Coronavirus: Trudeau tells UN conference that pandemic provided "opportunity for a reset"

https://youtu.be/n2fp0Jeyjvw

Joel said :
NexOrigin said :
Because vaccinated people can still get the virus and transmit it to other people? The vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting the virus, it simply prevents you from get the symptoms. You can still transmit it after getting the vaccine. Or is that not part of the science? Exactly, and what happens when you don't get the symptoms or it severely limits them? Less people get seriously sick, less people die and therefore it become a less dangerous virus to us, therefore rendering the current public health measures less necessary right?

That's the theory. Yet, even after all the vaccinations, masks will still be mandatory. They've already stated that. So if everyone is vaccinated, what would be the purpose of continuing the mask orders? The science doesn't add up with the actions, if you're taking it all at face value. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

01-Feb-2021 17:51:27 - Last edited on 01-Feb-2021 18:27:55 by NexOrigin

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