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Tenebri
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Megycal said :
I'm very happy that there isn't a gun owning culture here in the UK. It would NOT make me feel safer if all our police were able to access a gun within minutes ( I'm thinking of the gun being locked in the car ). Imo the more guns are carried the more chance there is for accidents or, even worse, them being used in anger.


i agree.

i understand why the US police force need them, but thats the worrying thing is that they need them... thats just terrible. they need that kind of protection from the public. smh
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04-Mar-2021 01:58:23

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Tenebri said :
i understand why the US police force need them, but thats the worrying thing is that they need them... thats just terrible. they need that kind of protection from the public. smh
How often do you believe that they need them as "protection from the public"?

What percent of the population do you believe poses a gun threat to police officers?
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04-Mar-2021 02:07:33

Tenebri
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NexOrigin said :
Tenebri said :
i understand why the US police force need them, but thats the worrying thing is that they need them... thats just terrible. they need that kind of protection from the public. smh
How often do you believe that they need them as "protection from the public"?



well they need them all the time, just having it on there possession is "needing it" to actually take it out and "use" it. probably very little.

but for the police to actually have some kind of authority is to own a fire arm and carry it. thats what im refering to. not the actual use of pulling the trigger. im sure there are officers in the US that go there whole career with out firing it.

so to answer bluntly they need them all the time. (aka having it in their possession)
to actually use. very little if ever.


to use an example

if a police officer went into a house with out a firearm and needed to control whatever the situation was, and someone was like erm no and pulled out a fire arm (which they are allowed in there house etc) then they have lost all action they can take. which is why just carrying a gun is important.

hopefully my statement is more clear now. i didnt say to actually pull the trigger or even take out of the holster. just owning it is needing it.
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04-Mar-2021 11:50:31 - Last edited on 04-Mar-2021 11:53:58 by Tenebri

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Theos said :
As someone from the U.S, I personally think the general direction needs to transition closer to how the police force functions in the UK. I am a huge advocate of non violent deescalation, and there's been numerous instances of senseless violence that have occurred due to biases, and perhaps a lack of training.

There are other changes which must occur simultaneously in order to make that transition a reality. Socioeconomic inequity needs to be addressed, mental health, and perhaps cultural shifts are necessary too...
As long as criminals are allowed to carry guns, cops have to carry guns too. I recently read that 97% of law enforcement officers NEVER unholster their guns on duty. I'm guessing that this also includes highway patrol too. Despite public perception, the number of times that officers are involved with shooting is low. Almost all "senseless violence" that has occured when officers are involved are the result of a criminal escalating a situation. Very few involving a police firing first.

04-Mar-2021 20:27:53

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Tenebri said :
im sure there are officers in the US that go there whole career with out firing it.
That depends on what you mean by that. ALL officers have to be trained to fire, and that does require firing a weapon. On the flip side, 97% of all law enforcement never unholster their guns on duty, let alone fire them in that type of situation.

04-Mar-2021 20:30:23

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NexOrigin said :
Tenebri said :
i understand why the US police force need them, but thats the worrying thing is that they need them... thats just terrible. they need that kind of protection from the public. smh
How often do you believe that they need them as "protection from the public"?

What percent of the population do you believe poses a gun threat to police officers?
32% of americans legally own a gun, while 44% live in a home with a gun. Then there are a large percentage of criminals that have access to guns illegally. 8% of all crimes (including things like drunk driving) committed in the US, involve guns.

04-Mar-2021 20:35:40

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A little late to the party, however a view/opinion I am probably more experienced than most with having worked in a fair few public sector jobs now,

I'd begin by saying, I would never, ever do any of the jobs I've done in the US. I've been assaulted more times than I can count at work however nothing massively serious, dislocated joint is about the worst, better than being shot at :P

The UK police by consent, the premise being the majority of people want them to do it, therefore they're given the power, the US police by force which is shown in many, many videos. In the UK the police are armed with Baton, PAVA (A non flammable CS spray), and a large proportion now have the X2 Taser. Specialisms such as the Mets TSG are now trained in rifles/pistols, baton rounds ect. Every force has an armed capacity but they don't routinely deploy to jobs due to perception and risk. As a whole, the UK have the best police force in the world.. ;) No one likes corrupt cops, however out of thousands I've met, I've not met one. We'd be the first to turn them in.

Having also worked in some of the UKs prisons, namely the most violent and the most drug fuelled, corrupt officers, staff, priests, there's too many of them, but that's another life
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09-Mar-2021 00:18:48

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The average american police do not require force to ever do their job. It is only when they are forced by the "victim" that they have to resort to violence in response to the threat level. Yea, you do so many videos of police violence, but you never see what happened BEFORE the police got violent. The truth is, the us police by consent. As you said, the majority want them to. The US has 5 times the number of people in the UK. The US is also almost 4000 times as big, but a large portion of it is unlivable (mountain, lakes and deserts). A much larger area is farmland with a low population density.

That is where the real problem is. In the Uk, the largest city, lundon has a population density of just over 5k per mile. NYC has a population density of 27k per mile. Due to certain groups thinking they should have more power than their numbers say, and due to them not getting the "respect" they insist they get, more of them are lashing out at authority figures, ignoring the fact that the problem is due to the people they choose to put in charge of the allocation of the money they pay in taxes.

09-Mar-2021 12:40:01

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The US and UK are incomparable on many levels, demographic, laws, land as said above, you could literally compare the UK to any other country as the UK is one of the very few Police by consent states, and as such will never routinely arm police in the current state.

The US also has the highest imprisonment rate for any country, 300M population but 3M in prison. The UK population of 66-67M, and only 83K imprisoned.. (another argument for another day is sentences)
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09-Mar-2021 13:38:54

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In summary, I'm gonna keep my response simple, seeing as there are a tonne of replies and (like a JMod :P ) I cannot reply to every single one.

The "art" of Policing should be given some respect I believe. It is not exactly a walk in the park. I understand that in different places, due to the differences in environment, sometimes different policing styles may need to be used, very similarly to as mentioned by the UK officer in the video.

I thank the public services for the hard genuine work they do. Ideally, I would prefer to be under a UK policing system, with further improvements, as imo it is less likely to result in loss of life, which is a principle I would prefer to abide by. Detain and then give a fair trial then imprison / sentence if need be. Loss of life before trial is sad and tragic.

On an aside note, I do find equipment and practices interesting.

I've heard "sheriff" referred to many times in the US. Not exactly sure how that differs to UK. I'd be interested in hearing what Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and other forces are like to.

Corruption is a very important thing to keep out of any force too. This is why Anti Corruption Units have to be placed within forces.

I'm also a big fan of Line of Duty (not sure if anyone's heard of that :P ).

Anyway, thanks for the responses.

14-Mar-2021 19:44:51

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