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BreakingBad
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Archaeox said :
BreakingBad said :
They could do with an independent policing body and a country wide training programme, entry requirements and checks.
I saw someone the other day pointing out that in the UK, training a police officer takes a couple of years, while in the US it's done in a matter of weeks. Perhaps that's part of the problem.

See this page for the UK system of joining the police, which basically involves getting the equivalent of a degree in policing:
https://www.prospects.ac.uk/jobs-and-work-experience/job-sectors/law-enforcement-and-security/joining-the-police


To get into the police in the UK the background checks take months, and are a lot more thorough. People are rejected a loot on social media posts, not even illegal just anything that brings them to disrepute. Every police force is obliged (since 2015) to post all misconduct hearings and outcomes as transparency. It takes 7 years to hit the top pay scale with experience, and getting into the job requires actual personal interviews, less than 10% of total applicants actually make it in, IMO a lot better than the American one. As well as standardisation

Sadly America has a loooot of catching up to do, to bring itself into the current times and restore some faith in itself
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22-Apr-2021 18:10:16 - Last edited on 22-Apr-2021 18:11:04 by BreakingBad

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They had to find him Guilty. Else the American people may or may not have stood up.

I watched quiet a bit of the trial and had to say it was as bad as watching O.J. Simpson. I was board as hell watching it with question after repeated questions asked and answered. I'm not sure why they had to ask 1 question 5-10 different ways just to get the same answer.

I totally agree with the Guilty verdict. After watching the video from many camers I had no doubt the guilty verdict was the right call.

George was no angle but the fact was his life was taken from him way too soon. He could have had a few years left even with his medical conditions he was suffering from.

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23-Apr-2021 12:12:11

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I don't agree in police brutality and i also believe that Black Lives Matter but in all honesty i admit i have not really followed the trial much and don't know much about the goings on within it but there is 1 thing i just don't understand and hopefully someone here will clear this up for me...

How did a man who murdered one man get found guilty of one count of manslaughter and two counts of murder?

Forgive me if i am missing something and thank you in advance to the person who explains it to me =)

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23-Apr-2021 21:29:38

Archaeox
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Scouse said :
Forgive me if i am missing something and thank you in advance to the person who explains it to me

Taking the counts in turn:

Second-degree unintentional murder (also called felony murder): the death occurred while the accused was committing or trying to commit a felony - in this case, third-degree assault.

Third-degree murder : the death occurred due to an action that was "eminently dangerous" and carried out with a reckless disregard for, and conscious indifference to, the possible loss of life.

Second-degree manslaughter : the death was caused by culpable negligence that created an unreasonable risk, and the accused consciously took the chance of causing severe injury or death.
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23-Apr-2021 22:31:59 - Last edited on 23-Apr-2021 22:32:20 by Archaeox

Scouse
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Archaeox said :
Scouse said :
Forgive me if i am missing something and thank you in advance to the person who explains it to me

Taking the counts in turn:

Second-degree unintentional murder (also called felony murder): the death occurred while the accused was committing or trying to commit a felony - in this case, third-degree assault.

Third-degree murder : the death occurred due to an action that was "eminently dangerous" and carried out with a reckless disregard for, and conscious indifference to, the possible loss of life.

Second-degree manslaughter : the death was caused by culpable negligence that created an unreasonable risk, and the accused consciously took the chance of causing severe injury or death.

So am i right in thinking that he was convicted of all 3 counts because he commited the worst one and in law you have to take the consequences of the other 2 crimes as well as the 3rd and most serious one.

That makes sense to me in a way as in if u commit the worst crime you may get 30 years but you also get 20 years added on for the 2nd crime and another 10 for the 1st crime so you serve 60 years rather than just the 30 for the worst crime, here in england you would just serve the top jail sentence "being 30 years" and that would be it.

I imagine in america there is a 4th crime which entails the death sentence?

If my thoughts are correct to me it seems fair how you americans do it because a murderer probably will never see a free life again whereas here in england a murderer may serve 20 years and then become free to live the rest of their life.

But in all seriousness, no matter how strong the punishment may be, america or england, somehow murder still happens way too frequently.

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23-Apr-2021 23:04:49

Archaeox
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Scouse said :
So am i right in thinking that he was convicted of all 3 counts because he commited the worst one and in law you have to take the consequences of the other 2 crimes as well as the 3rd and most serious one.
Nah, the prosecutor basically threw the book at him and included every charge that might stick - the jury could have decided to convict on only one or two charges, depending on how they viewed the evidence.
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24-Apr-2021 09:03:24

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I'm not surprised, In america a lot of violent offenders go to solitary and stay there for a good few years before release to General population.

Prison is an absolutely abysmal place to be. Having worked in a variety for a while, and I'm an advocate for longer sentences in some instances, be under no illusion being in one is hell. And I've no doubt Chauvin will have an absolutely terrible time in prison.
The mini series Orange is the New Black, prison wasn't that abysmal, I know it's just a TV program.
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25-Apr-2021 16:29:01

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