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Bilbo Baggie
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Didn't see this thread before, sadly.

@Azyezl, I don't agree with the fact that there are only two genders, maybe you think that because you don't know any transgenders personally in your life.

See also my thread about my comming out.
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30-Apr-2019 15:55:09

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Bilbo Baggie said :
@Azyezl, I don't agree with the fact that there are only two genders, maybe you think that because you don't know any transgenders personally in your life.
Perhaps it has to do more with science, biology. and the etymology of the actual word being used.

The word "gender" in the context of human biology literally means the classification of sex (male or female). It always has. Society never agreed that "gender" means something completely different than what it has meant since it was first created. If you want to come up with a new word to reflect your ideology, that's fine. But please, don't go around trying to force your concept of the word on the rest of society, when the rest of the society already has defined the word specifically since the 1300's.
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30-Apr-2019 16:12:42 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2019 16:13:11 by NexOrigin

Chief Elf
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Azyezl said :
Sorry, this may be straight and to the point but there are only TWO GENDERS. Male. Female.

If you are born a male, you ARE a MALE.


If you are born a female, you ARE a FEMALE.


There is no such thing as "Im a man trapped in a womans body" or vis-verse. Its society that's allowed people to claim such ridiculous things and "Man" has allowed this to happen by playing GOD with adhering to such claims by performing transgender operations.

Those who commit such acts will be far more punished on the other side as they have out rightly said God made a "Mistake" putting them into that gender body.

In my personal opinion, there is only two genders. FACT! Male Female. that's it! what you have been born as is what you ARE! end of. only man and woman can become one flesh and create life naturally. Therefore this is how it is meant to be. anything else is perverse.


From a biological perspective, the human species has male and female. These are biological sexes. However, many people have lived their whole lives feeling that their body is not consistent with how they have identified themselves. Their body is male, but mentally, they are female.

It's not like they haven't tried to reverse how they've thought about themselves. Who would want to live as someone who is going to be bullied by society?

Therapies that attempt to 'correct' trans individuals have proven to result in negative effects.

Also, an argument from a religious perspective holds very little water in a debate of logic. You may argue that God, from your beliefs about a higher power, did not intend to create more than two genders. But someone else, with their own beliefs about higher power, can argue that their God or Gods created more than two genders.
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30-Apr-2019 16:37:37 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2019 16:38:18 by Chief Elf

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Chief, your very first sentence qualifies his entire post. There are only two genders, by your very own words. You're literally agreeing with him that there are only two genders, while at the same time saying he's incorrect about there only being two genders. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great! :)

30-Apr-2019 16:49:10

Chief Elf
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NexOrigin said :
Chief, your very first sentence qualifies his entire post. There are only two genders, by your very own words. You're literally agreeing with him that there are only two genders, while at the same time saying he's incorrect about there only being two genders.


Oh I see what you mean.

Alright, let me try to explain it in the best way I can.

Science has categorised two biological sexes based on their reproductive organs - male and female. But that is not to say that science denies that there is more than one gender.

Nowadays, the language is such that gender is different than sex. Gender can be referred to as gender identity. How one identifies their own gender, regardless of their biological, reproductive organs. Psychologically, they are a male, while they have female reproductive organs. As a result, many people go through gender reassignment to have their bodies, hormonal levels, correspond with their gender identity. What you identify yourself as is based on your mind.

I hope I'm making it clear that biological sex and gender identity in modern society can be perceived as two different things.

Biological sex - reproductive organs that individual was born with
Gender identity - the gender they feel that they are (male or female)

I'm not sure how else to simplify or deepen my argument that people may not identify with their own biological sex. Perhaps, I should've taken that psychology elective on Gender and Sexuality.
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30-Apr-2019 17:05:13 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2019 17:15:02 by Chief Elf

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No. A very small minority of society (less than 1%) has decided to change the definition of the word "gender", without the consensus of the rest of society. This is a very recent move. The word has meant the exact same thing since the 1300's. In the 1970's, one specific professor decided they wanted to change the word, and no one really took notice. It wasn't until around 2010 that the small minority started trying to force that new definition on the rest of society, against the will of the will of the majority.

At this point, they realize that they can't convince the majorly of society to go along with their convoluted new definition of the the word gender, which is why they're now pushing it in primary schools, before children learn about actual science and biology.

There are only two genders. If you want to make up a new word to suit your ideologies, that's fine, but trying to change existing definition of a word to suit an agenda, isn't apt. And the way they're going about it isn't apt. Forcing the rest of society to conform to the demands of less than 1% of the population doesn't help those minorities, it simply creates animosity towards those individuals.

The fact that you can literally face jail time in certain places for saying "There are only two genders" is sheer insanity.
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30-Apr-2019 17:41:47

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NexOrigin said :


The fact that you can literally face jail time in certain places for saying "There are only two genders" is sheer insanity.


Wow, I've never heard of that, where does that happen?

Well I wonder how 'small' the minority is in 2019, considering that now, especially at uni, there's a category in gender where you can tick 'other'.

Tasmania, a state in Australia, have recently passed a law to have gender-optional birth certificates.
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30-Apr-2019 17:48:40

Jakey Boy
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NexOrigin said :
No. A very small minority of society (less than 1%) has decided to change the definition of the word "gender", without the consensus of the rest of society. This is a very recent move. The word has meant the exact same thing since the 1300's. In the 1970's, one specific professor decided they wanted to change the word, and no one really took notice. It wasn't until around 2010 that the small minority started trying to force that new definition on the rest of society, against the will of the will of the majority.

At this point, they realize that they can't convince the majorly of society to go along with their convoluted new definition of the the word gender, which is why they're now pushing it in primary schools, before children learn about actual science and biology.

There are only two genders. If you want to make up a new word to suit your ideologies, that's fine, but trying to change existing definition of a word to suit an agenda, isn't apt. And the way they're going about it isn't apt. Forcing the rest of society to conform to the demands of less than 1% of the population doesn't help those minorities, it simply creates animosity towards those individuals.

The fact that you can literally face jail time in certain places for saying "There are only two genders" is sheer insanity.
Wow! Could you provide a few cases of people going to jail for only saying that there are only two genders?
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30-Apr-2019 18:11:51

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As someone that gave up engaging with the LGBT community (due to Biphobia and Bisexual erasure within said communities) and haven't really interacted with them much in recent years.

I was wondering how common such attitudes are within the various communities these days?

The last time I went to a Pride event, put me off ever going back to one.
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30-Apr-2019 19:15:26

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