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Chiburu

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Raleirosen said :
Chiburu said :
I never said I reject their support Chiburu said :
Never support something you claim not to care about.
Again, you took it out of context. Those two quotes came from two different lines of discussion, the first referring to you, and the second referring to a generality of something not within the same instance. And I do believe Dong U Dead has shone a more vivid light on the matter.

But, excuse me, let me clarify.

No, I don't mind if people say they don't care, but, as I've already said, what contradicts that phrase is when these people later follow up with homophobic remarks that come across as a "we're tired of seeing gay stuff; let's take a break", sometimes in the same sentence. If you're not those people, and you do genuinely care (or just have no opinion, like I already said), then you shouldn't be getting so worked up to defend what I'm saying about those deviations of people. There is much more to what I'm trying to clarify for you, but I'd rather not repeat them, and I only have 2,000 characters to do so in one go. Artist
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19-Nov-2017 07:30:03 - Last edited on 19-Nov-2017 09:03:20 by Chiburu

Raleirosen

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Chiburu said :
No, I don't mind if you say you don't care, but, as I've already said, you shouldn't be following up with homophobic remarks that come across as a "we're tired of seeing gay stuff; let's take a break". If you're not those people, and you do genuinely care (like I already said), then you shouldn't be getting so worked up to defend what I'm saying about those deviations of people. The content of your post with the gold text -- this is what I've been responding to -- never links the "I don't care if you're gay" sentiment to subsequent homophobic comments. Instead you were trying to identify a contradiction between not caring about LGBT and supporting LGBT rights, which I think is nonsense for aforementioned reasons. I never addressed your anecdotes about homophobia; the contexts are the same.

In any case, there is no anger at work here; you can drop those implications. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

19-Nov-2017 07:38:31 - Last edited on 19-Nov-2017 07:44:16 by Raleirosen

Chiburu

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Sorry if my train of thought doesn't always match the surrounding context. It's a bad habit I have. Let me try to find the thing I'm referring to:
Chiburu said :
[...] What I don't accept is when I'm around people who say they don't care if someone's gay but then say they fully support the movement.
Because those kinds of people are the very ones who believe homosexuality is being shoved in the public's face, rather than conditioning homosexuality to be a normal thing—which is what I believe should be happening.
[...] I believe this is what I'm basing myself on when I talk about not caring but still supporting. I also think I later add with some anecdotes about meeting people who say these things, and then bring up homophobic remarks that comes off as believing the reason gay rights exist is to make homosexuality a ubiquity rather than a normalcy. I hope that clarifies things more. Artist
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19-Nov-2017 07:44:50

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Chiburu said :

Here's the problem with those two sentiments. You support something, but you don't care ? Why would you support something you don't care about? And if you truly did care, you support it because it would matter to you—or if not to you, to the people you care about.


By saying we should care about your orientation, you are basically implying that that is something you believe should be placed above everything else regarding humanity.

Here's a sociopolitical litmus test for you- Without explicitly knowing where I lean on this issue (No cheating and looking back on this thread), what do you think I am saying when I type this:

I support same-sex marriage.

? "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

19-Nov-2017 07:47:05

Team Skull
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Ancient Drew said :
I see that shit throwing has returned to grace us again.

Ehh...just someone who thinks supporting a cause means you inherently have to care about their characteristics rather than focus on their merits (and no, being LGBT+ is not a merit- it's a characteristic). Nothing more, nothing less.

Relevant to the current meta, but slightly unrelated: Neil Degrasse Tyson explicitly declines interviews in of which the primary focus is his race. Bonus points if you know why he does this. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

19-Nov-2017 07:53:23

Raleirosen

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Chiburu said :
I believe this is what I'm basing myself on when I talk about not caring but still supporting. I also think I later add with some anecdotes about meeting people who say these things, and then bring up homophobic remarks that comes off as believing the reason gay rights exist is to make homosexuality a ubiquity rather than a normalcy. I hope that clarifies things more. In that case I think you're just ignoring a lot of people who don't care about LGBT as individuals or as a lifestyle but support their equal treatment regardless, which is the most correct to take in my opinion; it shows an adherence to principles without excessively catering to LGBT just because they're a marginalized minority.
Team Skull said :
Relevant to the current meta, but slightly unrelated: Neil Degrasse Tyson explicitly declines interviews in of which the primary focus is his race. Bonus points if you know why he does this. Ah, he's clearly a black identity extremist. :^) Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

19-Nov-2017 07:57:01 - Last edited on 19-Nov-2017 07:58:39 by Raleirosen

Chiburu

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Team Skull said :
By saying we should care about your orientation, you are basically implying that that is something you believe should be placed above everything else regarding humanity. I don't think I said anything about necessitating my orientation above all of humanity. It's hard to repeat what I'm trying to clarify, so I'd rather just let my other posts with that other person suffice.

Team Skull said :

Here's a sociopolitical litmus test for you- Without explicitly knowing where I lean on this issue (
No cheating and looking back on this thread
), what do you think I am saying when I type this:

I support same-sex marriage.

? Why would I just want to make up something about a post you made based on the context of your previous post? Taking things out of context is the very reason I have had to go back and explain myself. I'm not blaming your misinterpretation at all, as being non-native to English still has a few quirks, but I do try my best to at least stick within the context. I am more than happy to clarify my words, but I've already done it.

Team Skull said :
Ehh...just someone who thinks supporting a cause means you inherently have to care about their characteristics rather than focus on their merits (and no, being LGBT+ is not a merit- it's a characteristic). Nothing more, nothing less. You may want to read my posts as a whole before making jabs at me about things I clearly don't agree with, because I expounded more about supporting causes even if you don't care about them. If it's difficult to find, that's my fault, but they are there, and I can clarify if it's not clear enough. Artist
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19-Nov-2017 08:02:15 - Last edited on 19-Nov-2017 09:04:41 by Chiburu

Ancient Drew

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I myself support it because I see LGBT as normal human beings who should be involved in a truly equal and ideal society, and keeping their marriages illegal only hinders progress towards this. At the same time, so do movements that punish majorities and only endorse avenging the minority by making them supreme.

I think we're making progress but it has been slow because of how people react to their current situation changing, getting pent up by radicalisation. This goes along whether we're for or against such radicalisation, or even initially neutral parties that get caught up in the middle of it. Because of human nature, positive change needs to be slow and gradual.

As for Neil Degrasse Tyson, I barely ever heard of him outside of posts on this forum so can't say anything absolute. But I'd personally think (and hope) that he declines interviews focusing more on his race due to them being bullshit and lacking anything interesting to discuss. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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19-Nov-2017 08:05:12 - Last edited on 19-Nov-2017 08:11:26 by Ancient Drew

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