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Skes
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Nothing will ever be done and tbh 99% of the playerbase probably don't care about high level rares enough for any attempt to be made to sort anything out, way out of reach for most of the playerbase.

The circlejerk of high level rares will continue until there's a massive dupe or one of them dumps tons of them on the ge.

10-Jan-2021 20:38:29 - Last edited on 10-Jan-2021 20:44:48 by Skes

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Lelouch Vi B said :
Trip180 said :
Lelouch Vi B said :
Monopolies have earned a bad reputation because of what happens with them in the hands of people. There is nothing inherently wrong with them until you add greed to the mix.
I disagree. Monopolies are bad even without greed, as a general rule. Unrelated comment to this thread.


Technically not true. Monopolies are almost impossible to exist without greed, as they can mostly only be maintained through greed. However, a monopoly is simply a commodity or service that is controlled by a single entity. A village fisherman has a monopoly. This is not an issue until that fisherman tries to leverage his monopoly to unfairly trade, or attempts to maintain that monopoly by preventing others from performing the same job. It is entirely possible for a monopoly to exist simply because no one else wants to do a certain job. It is not a problem until the person who holds it decides, either out of greed or malice, to leverage it. In modern history, most all monopolies have been bad, but again, it's mainly a result of greed, as greed is what made them monopolies in the first place.


It's human nature to abuse power. Greed is not the only cause of abuse; a desire to good in a foolish way can also cause harm. A balance of power prevents abuse. Many positions held in society are balanced in ways that are not obvious. When impediments to abuse are truly removed, then we often see abuse.
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10-Jan-2021 23:23:28

Lelouch Vi B
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Trip180 said :

It's human nature to abuse power. Greed is not the only cause of abuse; a desire to good in a foolish way can also cause harm. A balance of power prevents abuse. Many positions held in society are balanced in ways that are not obvious. When impediments to abuse are truly removed, then we often see abuse.



You're being rather arbitrary about this and not realizing we have real world examples. Jagex has a monopoly on Runescape. Is this bad? Governments have a monopoly on printing currency. Is this bad? You're allowing examples of abused monopolies to define a monopoly in general. And no, it's not human nature to abuse power. Humans are natural social animals; it's in our nature to work together. Some are greedy. This is no different than arguing a Firearm is evil because killers have used them for bad. Stop blaming the tool and blame the person committing the act. Inanimate objects and abstract concepts have no morality.

Most humans are not prone to abusing power; it just feels that way because the ones who tend to get power are the ones who want it because they wish to abuse it. It's a bit like arguing Airline pilots are worse at flying planes than the average person, because they crash more planes than the average person. Well no shit, they're the ones flying most of the planes. And people who wish to abuse power tend to be the ones who work hardest to achieve power. It's no different than outright saying capitalism as a system is bad because some individuals will abuse it. Bad people will abuse anything you hand them; it is not the fault of that thing.


But we're swerving severely off topic. So I'll end this here.
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11-Jan-2021 00:22:48 - Last edited on 11-Jan-2021 00:31:28 by Lelouch Vi B

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Skes said :
Nothing will ever be done and tbh 99% of the playerbase probably don't care about high level rares enough for any attempt to be made to sort anything out, way out of reach for most of the playerbase.

The circlejerk of high level rares will continue until there's a massive dupe or one of them dumps tons of them on the ge.


I hope it won't come to that.

This can still be addressed with some basic changes.

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11-Jan-2021 01:05:00

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I actually think Trip and Lelouch are both right, but this is one of those things that may never be settled.
There is no way to settle if we are inherently 'bad' or 'good' or if there is objective morality however any society that intends to function on the basis of agreed principles should also set out consequences for not adhering to them by any individual.

Monopolies will exist whether or not people understand what a monopoly means, and whether the benefactors of the monopoly are benevolent or malicious. It may be the case that the fisherman in a small village is also an example of a monopoly which does no harm to anyone, but when we have observed a monopoly, that does do so, and that stifles competition and starts to be unethical, it is only natural for us to make safeguards that prevent monopolies, regardless if it is a small fisherman or big businesses.

I'll finish with one of my fav quotes in the following post, but let's end this discussion and know that you both have more common ground than a disagreement yet I feel both are being too pedantic.

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11-Jan-2021 01:20:22 - Last edited on 11-Jan-2021 01:21:56 by Surprised

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Whilst men are linked together, they easily and speedily communicate the alarm of any evil design. They are enabled to fathom it with common counsel, and to oppose it with united strength. Whereas, when they lie dispersed, without concert, order, or discipline, communication is uncertain, counsel difficult, and resistance impracticable. Where men are not acquainted with each other’s principles, nor experienced in each other’s talents, nor at all practised in their mutual habitudes and dispositions by joint efforts in business; no personal confidence, no friendship, no common interest, subsisting among them; it is evidently impossible that they can act a public part with uniformity, perseverance, or efficacy. In a connection, the most inconsiderable man, by adding to the weight of the whole, has his value, and his use; out of it, the greatest talents are wholly unserviceable to the public. No man, who is not inflamed by vain-glory into enthusiasm, can flatter himself that his single, unsupported, desultory, unsystematic endeavours, are of power to defeat the subtle designs and united cabals of ambitious citizens. When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.

–Edmund Burke, Thoughts on the Cause of the Present Discontents 82-83 (1770) in: Select Works of Edmund Burke, vol. 1, p. 146 (Liberty Fund ed. 1999).
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11-Jan-2021 01:20:36

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oh. this is hobbes leviathan statecraft. yeah. people will rebel against the state unless they believe their rituals were done wrong, so its in the best interest of the state to allow fundies "muh freedom" and it keeps the state safe.

so in this case jagex is the state, the price checkers are a religious cult, and yes they are very much so xenophobic, and they racketeer with influence over the player mods to eliminate competition, and that will mean that we take a lot of lumps... but...

jagex is somewhat unlikely to restrict the rituals of the cult because it keeps players from rebelling.

I hate libertarians and I end every attempt of theirs to deliver some diatribe by flipping over the table and bellowing "LEGALIZE DUELING! DO IT! MAKE DUELING LEGAL. I DONT DRINK SHAKE OR MISS YOU TINKER STAIN. DO IT." and they whimper, tear up, and raise hands like I have ever willingly hugged a man and howl "theyre just trying to divide us man" still trying that strawman aunt sally like... there is a "they" even when I make it abundantly clear I divide us. I hate their freedom, and I am always ready to take it by force for the state.

Its weird cause real life I am kinda more Hayek than Keynes, and I kinda sorta want everyone who works at FINRA dragged out of the building and as the french say "
la lanterne
!" to mean hung from the streetlights because all futures trading should have always been illegal, and instead america has 13 trillion corporate bond debt, and FINRA keeps handing out series 7 broker licenses to evil nerds who crank up before screaming they will sell their own families poor (no joke thats how you pass the oral exam).

runescape should be mostly alter-globalists. there shouldnt be a bunch of neocons, or libertarians here. I dont feel out of place to say all this. another world is possible.
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11-Jan-2021 01:33:53

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J R Kerr said :
oh. this is hobbes leviathan statecraft. yeah. people will rebel against the state unless they believe their rituals were done wrong, so its in the best interest of the state to allow fundies "muh freedom" and it keeps the state safe.

so in this case jagex is the state, the price checkers are a religious cult, and yes they are very much so xenophobic, and they racketeer with influence over the player mods to eliminate competition, and that will mean that we take a lot of lumps... but...

jagex is somewhat unlikely to restrict the rituals of the cult because it keeps players from rebelling.

I hate libertarians and I end every attempt of theirs to deliver some diatribe by flipping over the table and bellowing "LEGALIZE DUELING! DO IT! MAKE DUELING LEGAL. I DONT DRINK SHAKE OR MISS YOU TINKER STAIN. DO IT." and they whimper, tear up, and raise hands like I have ever willingly hugged a man and howl "theyre just trying to divide us man" still trying that strawman aunt sally like... there is a "they" even when I make it abundantly clear I divide us. I hate their freedom, and I am always ready to take it by force for the state.

Its weird cause real life I am kinda more Hayek than Keynes, and I kinda sorta want everyone who works at FINRA dragged out of the building and as the french say "
la lanterne
!" to mean hung from the streetlights because all futures trading should have always been illegal, and instead america has 13 trillion corporate bond debt, and FINRA keeps handing out series 7 broker licenses to evil nerds who crank up before screaming they will sell their own families poor (no joke thats how you pass the oral exam).

runescape should be mostly alter-globalists. there shouldnt be a bunch of neocons, or libertarians here. I dont feel out of place to say all this. another world is possible.


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11-Jan-2021 01:40:26

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I feel like we are in a reality now where we care far more than people running the republic.

What difference does it make to the state(Jagex), and dead people when morality is sacrificed wrought under the name of "Good of the society"(Merch clans/Scam friends chats and pyramid schemes, price checkers) with the blessings of in the holy people? (Mods)
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11-Jan-2021 01:46:24

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