RuneScape Forum Archive | Fix Price check threads.

Marclard

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1.

The people who keep creating the threads are the ones that thought up to make them in the first place and so they now *own* them, untill they quit/officially pass the thread ownership to someone else.

/// Fmods owning them wouldn't make people take them more serious, there's bad fmods too, ex.. a fmod makes a post in a thread and posts behind his is off-topic - he does nothing about it.

doesnt matter who the person is who owns the thread imo for people to take it serious except for a certain bad apples.

2.

Off-topic is already against the rules, and yes Fc's/Clans/Discords shouldn't be getting put in posts, if they want to advertise it there's a signature section for that.
- i think they shouldn't even belong in there but there's no forum rule against it.

3b.

already is a forum rule

3a,c,f.

i don't deal with max+ items so all i can really say for that it that's a whole different situation and is very well harder to try and control with it being a open market pricing.

Surprised said :

however go to price check for rares or TH/tokens, you'd see some FC being advertised and peddled as the paragon of knowledge when it comes to price checks.

This is problematic, because these people have exclusivity over posting the original price check thread and should not be acting as billboards for publicity. It's despicable at worst and vanity at best.

a. that's not the thread owner doing that so, weather a fmod owns the thread or not that would still be happening

b. read the second part of my #2.

plus a whole different point... this thread isn't even discussing items, your post should've probably really been put in the chat lounge for people to talk about in there, or if u really needed a thread in Website and Forums -- imo

21-Dec-2020 11:57:15 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2020 12:18:39 by Marclard

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Surprised

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Marclard said :
1. The people who keep creating the threads are the ones that thought up to make them in the first place and so they now *own* them, untill they quit/officially pass the thread ownership to someone else. /// Fmods owning them wouldn't make people take them more serious, there's bad fmods too, ex.. a fmod makes a post in a thread and posts behind his is off-topic - he does nothing about it.

These people are part of the problem though, Fmods are held to much higher standard than regular players in the context of repercussions for being biased or manipulating.

I do not share your view about Fmods at the moment because I have seen none advertising Fcs or being vindictive, however go to price check for rares or TH/tokens, you'd see some FC being advertised and peddled as the paragon of knowledge when it comes to price checks.

This is problematic, because these people have exclusivity over posting the original price check thread and should not be acting as billboards for publicity. It's despicable at worst and vanity at best.

Surprised.
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21-Dec-2020 12:01:42 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2020 12:04:07 by Surprised

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Tuffty

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Very interesting thread and reading with interest.

Just a few pointers.

1. The F-Mods won't make any PC threads. If anything goes wrong then it's on their heads. They have never as far as I remember ever made any. Also Community Helpers are different from F-Mods. They only help out in the Account Help and Tech Support. They have No F-Mod powers they can use as in hide posts or mute people.

2. Thats a rule today. No one can say a FC A is better then FC B and so on. Posts do get removed by F-Mods.

3.

A. I totally agree with that and wanted that for a few years.

B. That happens now and posts get removed. Not part of the deal then can't posted.

C. Totally agree with that it really would help. The only thing is Screen shots can be faked.

D. Totally agree with that too. No banter on what items should be in a few weeks or months.

E. Thats wise and I was sure it was 24 hour or less as it would be an out of date price due to massive prices rises or lowerings that can happen in 48 hours.

F. IF PC's are posted it would be a good idea to have Comfirmed deals and comfirmed deals via elsewhere as in Discord. A screen shot could be used. As long as it's confirmed by both it can be used within the PC'ing.

Jusy my own thoughts here. PC'ing hasn't been that bad within most threads. Yes 1 or 2 are pushing it but the whole Community know whats fact and whats fiction. The Community here are smart and do an amazing job keeping upto date on prices and good deals.

Also remember any general chat chat can be posted Item Discussion Chat Lounge 1 of the best threads in this section.

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21-Dec-2020 12:10:07

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Surprised

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@Tuffty -

1 ) Let Jmods post it then for more important items, especially rares. For now we should make sure that people posting should be held accountable to understated -
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These people have exclusivity over posting the original price check thread and should not be acting as billboards for publicity. It's despicable at worst and vanity at best.

2) I think 48 hours isn't that big of a problem since prices don't vary that much organically, and even if they do people can use their judgements based on reports showing in game time.

3) I realize screenshots can be faked but we can tell in most cases and dispute those trades if enough people are contributing the prices should match more or less, like a blockchain.

4) I think Rares and tokens are the main manipulation avenues for some FCs, and one in particular, I am sure you know who I speak of.

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21-Dec-2020 12:18:23 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2020 12:39:46 by Surprised

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Loki

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This thread Surprised me.

Support on a lot of what was stated here though. There does need to be changes done.

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21-Dec-2020 12:33:04

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Surprised

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Marclard said :

a. that's not the thread owner doing that so, weather a fmod owns the thread or not that would still be happening

b. read the second part of my #2.

It is the thread owners doing that, screenshots related.

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21-Dec-2020 12:45:03

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Surprised

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Loki said :
This thread Surprised me.

Support on a lot of what was stated here though. There does need to be changes done.

Thank you, I wish more people read the trading tips section of Manipulation sticky. That sticky should be a mandatory read at beginning of any Price check thread.
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21-Dec-2020 12:47:29

Trip180

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Surprised said :
Mate, where did I say you must use discord? Please read my original post again.

There was a part where I said that discord bot, i.e suitybot recently made good changes in regards to submitting sales/purchases which we should look at. I guess this part was confusing so I have removed it.

1. Your reform: No price lists posted in item discussion pricing threads.

Problem: In order for a FC to work, a list must be posted in either discord or the RS forums.

Your answer: Magically don't use lists.

This is not possible.

The result: no pricing fc or pricing fc that rely exclusively on discord.

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2. Your reform: Require many things for a person to post a price to a pricing thread.

Problem: Few players know how to post as you want. Of those who know, fewer are going to put in so much effort.

Your answer: They should do it anyway.

Result: People will use discord. I cannot for the life of me manage to catch Covid. Perhaps it's because I didn't get vaxxed? The travails of those lacking immunity.

21-Dec-2020 13:18:46

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Surprised

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I disagree with your conclusions Trip180 -

1) Lists will float around FCs anyways, I am just asking them to be excluded from price check threads as they are more deceiving than helpful. Let people see compilations of actual, and verified trades instead of price ranges.
Sometimes ranges have 10b difference in them, recently.

2) People using suitybot isn't as harmful as you may think it is.

3) Once again you underestimate the intelligence of players. Screenshots shouldn't be hard to take. if you'd like I can make a guide on how to take screenshots with clock and date.
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21-Dec-2020 13:22:09 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2020 13:22:43 by Surprised

Trip180

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Tuffty said :
Very interesting thread and reading with interest. One reform y'all tried in the past, which might work now though didn't work then, is to send pricing fc to the clan section.

I believe y'all tried this twice, and both times people just went to the pricing threads in the clan section instead of item discussion.

There seems to largely be only one pricing fc still standing, and it barely functions. But in the past they did work very well, might work well again.

You didn't know it, but years ago when rare quark and then r quark and other fc took off, they were very accurate and honest. They did work well. You never trusted them, which is understandable, but the system did work well. I'm not fussing at you; I just remember your reactions.

The environment has changed a great deal since then, but at least for items trading in the GE, a pricing fc could work again and does work somewhat now. There need to be more volunteers listing prices, more reporting prices, more calling conflict, for a pricing fc to work well. And there are far more items to price now.

They did work in the past. I cannot for the life of me manage to catch Covid. Perhaps it's because I didn't get vaxxed? The travails of those lacking immunity.

21-Dec-2020 13:25:57