RuneScape Forum Archive | Recent Massive Duping

Sep

2023

H Rassy

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Its kinda interesting btw lol.
If some of the duped money was indeed laundered in the small rare market and the dupers have been caught/stopped by jagex.
Then there will now be a lot of small rares on locked accounts. Maybe jagex is thinking about what to do now with those rares.
It could be why santa didnt crash that hard and is still to expensive when compared to hats and when compared with the ratio over the past few years. I dont think blue has ever been below 20 santas in the past few years but now it is.

But yes this is all speculation as it is indeed hard to tell what did exactly happen.
O well,will be kinda interesting to see whats next. It would be nice if jagex did explain the situation a bit more in detail.

18-Jun-2020 10:10:20

May

2016

I Lack Heart

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RichKngMidas said :
Your theory about them deliberately banning large amounts of legitmate rares is pretty likely too, as it helps lower supply even more.
Thats terrible tactic if you are to rwt for profit, to the amount of santas there is you would need to get banned with thousands of santa hats worth several trillion gp and the price would need to rise more than what those hats were worth, meaning you just dumped trillions worth of santa hats and only managed to double the price.

Also considering Mod Marks statements on Jagex going case by case in returning rares on banned accounts id say accounts banned with significant amounts of rares would just get returned its unlikely many rares have left the game due to this, more hoarded if anything.

18-Jun-2020 11:20:08

Splinter

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I Lack Heart said :
RichKngMidas said :
Your theory about them deliberately banning large amounts of legitmate rares is pretty likely too, as it helps lower supply even more.
Thats terrible tactic if you are to rwt for profit, to the amount of santas there is you would need to get banned with thousands of santa hats worth several trillion gp and the price would need to rise more than what those hats were worth, meaning you just dumped trillions worth of santa hats and only managed to double the price.

Also considering Mod Marks statements on Jagex going case by case in returning rares on banned accounts id say accounts banned with significant amounts of rares would just get returned its unlikely many rares have left the game due to this, more hoarded if anything.

I just found this statement from Jmod Shauny in an old Reddit post only 3 years ago.

It states, “Aren’t party hats and other rares added to the Grand Exchange when a player was banned?

Rares from banned accounts are not added to the Grand Exchange: they are effectively removed from the game .”

Source: https://archive.fo/SIvwV

18-Jun-2020 13:17:55

Splinter

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Splinter said :
Using the rares market to launder the coins made by the dupe into legit merchant profits is actually clever and highly plausible.

This is just a possibility:

Step 1) Dupe GP and Rares
Step 2) Use your main legit accounts to stock up on the same rares that the RWT/bug abuse accounts consistently buy rares through the GE with duped shard stacks.
Step 3) On bug abusing/RWT accounts, offload some of those rares through RWT but mostly the GP as most RWTers probably prefer cold hard GP.
Step 4) Start selling off a percentage of those rares on your main legit accounts at heavily inflated prices.
Step 5) Ensure that your RWT/Bug abusing accounts have sold off less rares than the amount of rares bought through the GE.
Step 6) Get those RWT/Bug abusing accounts banned with a nice stack of authentic rares.
Step 7) Create video of duplicating said rares.
Step 8) Share clips with one of the most subscribed Youtubers and cause hype throughout the community to sell off rares.
Step 9) Buy back even more of these rares to hoard at extremely low price with the full knowledge that your fake accounts being banned caused the volume of rares to drop drastically.
Step 10) Enjoy your profits in the long-term through legit means on main account with a nice stack of these much lower volume rares.
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@I Lack Heart:
Also, if a dupe even did occur, it’s possible that they could have capitalized on this opportunity as much as possible through both means, short-term RWT and long-term legit merchant profits. As previously mentioned in Step 3, they could have easily focused on RWTing shards with a set average rate per mill rather than selling rares with fluctuating prices. All in the meantime, they could also use the duped gp on alts to push up prices on any rares their legit main accounts have already hoarded (Step 2).

18-Jun-2020 19:40:39

Knowledege

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The end goal for them is real $ so they will sell off the duped shards first probably at lower prices to other gold sellers in fear of getting banned. Rares I am guessing Santa and h'weens will be hoarded to sell later, Party hats might be listed for sale on gold sites and at the same time slowly being sold to other merchers/flippers. This can all change if Jagex decides to act ofcourse. If you are worried about them dumping Rares which is possible just spread your gp out don't keep it in one or two Rares. Accumulation of wealth at one pole is at the same time accumulation of misery, agony of toil, slavery, ignorance, brutality, mental degradation, at the opposite pole - Karl Marx. Capitalism needs to be reformed around the world especially in the US.

18-Jun-2020 20:01:53

RichKngMidas

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Knowledege said :
The end goal for them is real $ so they will sell off the duped shards first probably at lower prices to other gold sellers in fear of getting banned. Rares I am guessing Santa and h'weens will be hoarded to sell later, Party hats might be listed for sale on gold sites and at the same time slowly being sold to other merchers/flippers. This can all change if Jagex decides to act ofcourse. If you are worried about them dumping Rares which is possible just spread your gp out don't keep it in one or two Rares.

It isn't the hackers dumping, it is your average mercher. You can see this on disc item.status
As soon as they heard the word "dupe" they all paniced and bagan to dump all of their items - even though we have yet to understand the scope of this bug abuse, and what exactly happened, if anything, because, you know, Jagex isn't exactly transparent with these things.

Also the perception that other people will panic and dump causes even the more restrained merchants to unload their stockpiles. It has a snowball effect, really.

The great twist of all would be if this video and claims were widely distributed precisely to crash rares. You have to think, there is a motive in getting people on board with that "a big dupe just happened" mentality. I don't think it's just for bragging rights. Ask yourself what the video achieved, and you might get closer to the truth. I'm known as Rich King Midas, and when you look at me, you'll see a king who knows a thing about his treasury. I never cared for women. I've never cared for wine. But when I count a large amount of money - ha ha - it's divine!

18-Jun-2020 20:47:33

H A P S

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I came across something interesting. As I had mentioned before, runescape fake servers do continue to exist, recent versions of runescape 3 apparently. Only a long time ago I have experimented them(15 years ago), but to make it short.. you can get everything for insignificant amounts of cash and level very fast, compared to the real runescape, sort of no rules(specifically mentioning the ones I tried long ago, as I did not try any of the recents).

Here is where I found it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rESjgr9iZmU

or look it up with this title on youtube:

This RSPS now has the NXT CLIENT

I must say I didn't watch the video thoroughly, but it seems to be pretty real.

This doesn't prove anything. but brings some evidence that faking runescape videos maybe is not so hard.

And again, I'm not saying this is what happened, it's rather something worth to consider.

My trust on merchers starts on 25% tops on 50% and it's often 0%

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19-Jun-2020 00:14:46 - Last edited on 19-Jun-2020 00:50:56 by H A P S

Knowledege

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H A P S said :

I came across something interesting. As I had mentioned before, runescape fake servers do continue to exist, recent versions of runescape 3 apparently. Only a long time ago I have experimented them(15 years ago), but to make it short.. you can get everything for insignificant amounts of cash and level very fast, compared to the real runescape, sort of no rules(specifically mentioning the ones I tried long ago, as I did not try any of the recents).

Here is where I found it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rESjgr9iZmU

or look it up with this title on youtube:

This RSPS now has the NXT CLIENT

I must say I didn't watch the video thoroughly, but it seems to be pretty real.

This doesn't prove anything. but brings some evidence that faking runescape videos maybe is not so hard.

And again, I'm not saying this is what happened, it's rather something worth to consider.

When I saw the video the first time I had the same thought that it was on a fake server and someone was trying to troll. But when the mods on the twitch stream said they were investigating to what extent it had been done and not denying it was most likely not fake. But no one knows the numbers of what was duped but it will have an psychological impact due to the fear of more rares and GP in game and people will react to it. If we could have some transparency from jagex when things like these happen it would be great and it will help remove a lot of doubts. Accumulation of wealth at one pole is at the same time accumulation of misery, agony of toil, slavery, ignorance, brutality, mental degradation, at the opposite pole - Karl Marx. Capitalism needs to be reformed around the world especially in the US.

19-Jun-2020 01:45:10

May

2016

I Lack Heart

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Splinter said :
I Lack Heart said :
RichKngMidas said :
Your theory about them deliberately banning large amounts of legitmate rares is pretty likely too, as it helps lower supply even more.
Thats terrible tactic if you are to rwt for profit, to the amount of santas there is you would need to get banned with thousands of santa hats worth several trillion gp and the price would need to rise more than what those hats were worth, meaning you just dumped trillions worth of santa hats and only managed to double the price.

Also considering Mod Marks statements on Jagex going case by case in returning rares on banned accounts id say accounts banned with significant amounts of rares would just get returned its unlikely many rares have left the game due to this, more hoarded if anything.

I just found this statement from Jmod Shauny in an old Reddit post only 3 years ago.

It states, “Aren’t party hats and other rares added to the Grand Exchange when a player was banned?

Rares from banned accounts are not added to the Grand Exchange: they are effectively removed from the game .”

Source: https://archive.fo/SIvwV
That has to be their stance at 2016 and onward then, because it conflicts with Mod Marks comment on rares and the actions on 2012.

19-Jun-2020 09:22:19

Glaucon

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I think many people posting here have far too much confidence in Jagex's ability to stop bug abusers and RWTers. A lot of people think that Jagex has incredible amounts of information about what everyone is doing on all of their accounts. I think that this should certainly be the case lol (such as setting up item count alerts for discontinued items as suggested in this thread), but many stories & examples seem to imply that that is not the case.

For example (just a few): cursed energy bots existing, vegeto's alts getting banned (if you believe him - I have other friends who have had similar experiences), discord messages from the original dupe video about unfreezing gp, the fact that Jagex has to actually investigate the dupe instead of being able to track what should be pretty trackable lol, the explanation they gave for how they tracked Solak release titan abuse (which led to some people on the same team being banned and others not being banned).

And finally, it seems pretty reasonable to me that when it comes to Jagex, the presumption ought to be incompetence on their part, not competence. I mean, for goodness' sake, play RS on most Mondays and you ought to have this presumption.

20-Jun-2020 18:10:44

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