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Pkavidas said :
Rares were most definitely duped and anyone saying otherwise is just trying to protect their stock from crashing...

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There are already 10's of thousands of party hats floating around and the price is inflated as is so what is another few hundred.

What we do know is this group was able to continue to act undetected for quite some time. Obviously every trade would include the maximum amount of money possible (rares, items, shards etc.) to maximize profit. Maybe they haven't dumped them or maybe they dumped them privately to a few collectors, who knows. But obviously they would maximize profit by putting whatever they had of value into the trade to be duped (exponentially). Party hats especially (would have been duped) because each is worth thousands on the black market.




@PKAVIDAS

Did Jagex confirm anything?

What are your sources of information?
It would be nice to know if we are on the same page...

Until I have an official confirmation that the attacks were indeed a dupe, I assume that the current price changes are a result of the community trades, and the usual RWT.
My trust on merchers starts on 25% tops on 50% and it's often 0%

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26-Jun-2020 18:01:39

Splinter

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Splinter said :
*This is just a possibility for short-term RWT and coin laundering through long-term legit profits:

Step 1) Dupe GP and Rares
Step 2) Use duped GP on RWT/bug abuse alts to push up prices on rares through GE and street trades that have already been hoarded on main accounts.
Step 3) In addition to buying rares with duped GP, sell duped GP through RWT, as most people prefer cold hard GP instead of rares with fluctuating prices.
Step 4) Sell a small percentage of those rares on your main legit accounts through GE/street trades at inflated prices (do not interact/trade with bug abusing alts to avoid risk of link/getting mains banned)
Step 5) Get the alts banned with as many authentic rares as possible.
Step 6) Create video of duplicating said rares. Include shards in the clips to help us justify why said “duplicated” rares have been climbing in prices through GP inflation (even though the rares shown in the video have been climbing much faster than any other high valued items, such as t92 weapons and dyes)
Step 7) Share clips with one of the most subscribed Youtubers and cause hype throughout the community to sell off rares duplicated in video.
Step 8) Buy back even more of these rares to hoard at low prices with the full knowledge that your alts being banned caused the volume of these rares to drop drastically.
Step 9) Enjoy long-term profits through legit means on mains with a stack of these lower volume rares.



Pkavidas, yeah that’s a possibility. I guess we’ll just have to wait it out and see how the market reacts. Many rares appear to be hitting new peak prices more recently though ever since this video was released.

28-Jun-2020 00:29:57 - Last edited on 28-Jun-2020 00:31:33 by Splinter

SGXTrader

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I would go with the idea that GP and rares have been duped.

Assuming Jagex can trace the trades and having been tracking all accounts worth, it’s only true that those accounts holding the duped GP & rares will get banned so or later. What they might have done would be to “clean” the dirty dupes to both legitimate gp & rares using GE by dumping them before they get caught with worth comparison before and after it happened. I don’t think there a unroll system for GE trade if I’m not wrong. Might not have been implemented.

“Clean” the dupes using GE makes tracing & differentiating the dupes from legitimate trades and reversing the damage extremely hard.

They could have also “cleaned” dupes GP by buying from legitimate rares sellers on p2p trades thou I’m not sure if Jagex would have a easier time tracing and unrolling these trades. It’s definitely simpler than the GE trades.

Aka laundering in Runescape. Key is to mix the illegal gains with the legitimate ones.
We are selling to willing buyers at the current fair market price so that we may survive.
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28-Jun-2020 05:47:23 - Last edited on 28-Jun-2020 06:18:57 by SGXTrader

Mod Poerkie

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Hey there,

Just dropping a quick line here, as an addition to Mod JD's post here.

The lasting Impact of the dupe has been rather insignificant and has had no influence on the in-game economy in any way, this includes the GP value or quantity of extremely rare items. I hope this alleviates some of the concerns raised by you all.
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29-Jun-2020 18:40:48

MangeThane

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Mod Poerkie said :

The lasting Impact of the dupe has been rather insignificant and has had no influence on the in-game economy in any way, this includes the GP value or quantity of extremely rare items.


So nothing other than server jamming with alts world hopping alongside mass login attempts occurred; that were subsequently attempted to be connected to claim/s of game wealth manipulation via some sort of occurrence during the disruption. Thus Jagex had only needed to change server protocols for recurring connections?
(with exception of any cursory investigation to the claims of item duplication).

Before responding as a Jagex Staffer. Please do remember that in some and soon many more Nations/Countrys/Nation-States that Digital goods where a real world cost can be tangibly assigned. That Users/Consumers/Financial-Funding-Entity of which are/beginning to be protected in legislation, locally and or Internationally.
(bonds being without ambiguous fiat currency to game conversion. Unlike min wage to game coin per hour that has won precedence for successful personal claims litigation).
That non compliance to factual occurrence of the matter/s are of consequence.
Not just in any pending civil suit. But for any future faith by the consumers/customers in Jagex Ltd.

Fair notice of issue.
The brunt of players are over 25 years of age, well informed and knowledgeable of Jagex's track record, their legal rights as a digital citizen, the precedents applicable and relevant Law/s regarding capital depreciation.
In the membrane.

04-Jul-2020 18:47:48 - Last edited on 04-Jul-2020 20:03:41 by MangeThane

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So nothing other than server jamming with alts world hopping alongside mass login
attempts occurred;
that were subsequently attempted to be connected to claim/s
of game wealth manipulation via some sort of occurrence during the disruption.
#Report of what happened ( assumption )


Thus Jagex had only needed to change server protocols for recurring connections?
(with exception of any cursory investigation to the claims of item duplication).
#the Jagex solution ( assumption )


Before responding as a Jagex Staffer.
Please do remember that in some and soon many more Nations/Countrys/Nation-States
that Digital goods where a real world cost can be tangibly assigned.
That Users/Consumers/Financial-Funding-Entity of which are/beginning to be protected
in legislation, locally and or Internationally.
#Remember: Users on platforms with digital goods, are starting to be protected.

(bonds being without ambiguous fiat currency to game conversion.
#Proof that bonds are a digital good


Unlike min wage to game coin per hour that has won precedence for successful
personal claims litigation).
#Unlike some other way of exchanging digital goods



That non compliance to factual occurrence of the matter/s are of consequence.
#In case the Jagex report was not what really happened there might be a legal consequence


Not just in any pending civil suit. But for any future faith by the
consumers/customers in Jagex Ltd.
#It applies to pending and future cases.


Fair notice of issue.
The brunt of players are over 25 years of age,
well informed and knowledgeable of Jagex's track record,
their legal rights as a digital citizen,
the precedents applicable and relevant Law/s regarding capital depreciation.
#There is a considerable amount of players over 25, that know their legal rights.



Is this accurate?
My trust on merchers starts on 25% tops on 50% and it's often 0%

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04-Jul-2020 21:38:12

RichKngMidas

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I think pigs will fly before a gamer files and wins a court case against Jagex because their virtual items may have lost virtual value. Lol. I'm known as Rich King Midas, and when you look at me, you'll see a king who knows a thing about his treasury. I never cared for women. I've never cared for wine. But when I count a large amount of money - ha ha - it's divine!

04-Jul-2020 21:59:00

Julij2
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Yeah.... It's also written in their TOS that Jagex is the owner of all accounts and items connected to them if i remember correctly. ''Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience'' - Mark Twain

04-Jul-2020 22:14:40

RichKngMidas

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Julij2 said :
Yeah.... It's also written in their TOS that Jagex is the owner of all accounts and items connected to them if i remember correctly.


Yes, it's right here in the TOS:

"All intellectual property or other rights in any game character, account, content, virtual currency and virtual items in the Jagex Products are and will remain the property of Jagex and/or its licensors. You are only granted limited permission (which can be revoked at anytime) to use such content or Jagex Product, subject to and in accordance with these terms and conditions.

NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY HEREIN, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU SHALL HAVE NO OWNERSHIP, TITLE OR OTHER PROPERTY INTEREST IN ANY JAGEX PRODUCT OR ACCOUNT, AND YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT ALL RIGHTS IN AND TO AN ACCOUNT ARE AND SHALL FOREVER BE OWNED BY AND INURE TO THE BENEFIT OF JAGEX."

Summary, to play the game, you agree that everything, including your account, levels, progression, items, gp, bonds, time invested in the game, belong to Jagex, and can be terminated or altered or changed at any time.

You could literally spend your entire life savings on bonds, and exchange that GP for a blue partyhat, and partyhats could be released the very next day, making your purchase worthless, and Jagex are protected to do that, and besides being upset, you really have no legal way to challenge that, because you do not own your account, or the items within your account. You are just licensing it (renting it from Jagex, effectively).

Edit: of course, you're right that digital property is coming under the umbrella of laws and legislation in many different places now, but this is still, as of this post, the contract you agree to, in order to play the game. Maybe Jagex, in the future, will have to tweak that agreement, on a country by country basis, depending on how virtual currency and virtual property is defined by their national law
I'm known as Rich King Midas, and when you look at me, you'll see a king who knows a thing about his treasury. I never cared for women. I've never cared for wine. But when I count a large amount of money - ha ha - it's divine!

04-Jul-2020 22:39:35 - Last edited on 05-Jul-2020 03:39:42 by RichKngMidas

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