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AI-lslam
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Big Boss 1 said :
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No, you're right, I do not have first-hand experience at developing games. But Jagex is a company who are constantly releasing content updates.
If you look around the internet, you can see that there are single people, or a few people who work together, and are able to create massive worlds and make it look good in less than a year. Now Jagex, I am sure, can do it much better, faster, and more efficiently, as RuneScape is not a graphic heavy game.
As I said before, it is certainly do-able, it is just Jagex's motivation. They first need to plan, then create.
You're missing a massive point.
They start with a blank canvas.
Jagex do not have that luxury - everything will have to be more or less the same and it takes a huge amount of time to 'recreate' something rather than making something new. Cut and paste won't work in anyway shape or form. And those new games that took a year to 'look good' probably have 1%* of the content Runescape has since it's been updated monthly for what 15 years?
Hell, I could make a world in 4 months the same size of skyrim for visual purposes only. There certainly wont be any quests, the NPC's wont be able to move and I won't have made any of the assets myself. But it will look good.
It's just not comparable.
*totally made up - I don't know the content ratio but it will be really tiny.
~ Big Boss.
PS. I'd be happy to help Jagex - if they give me a big office with a sea view.
Big Boss 1 said :
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No, you're right, I do not have first-hand experience at developing games. But Jagex is a company who are constantly releasing content updates.
If you look around the internet, you can see that there are single people, or a few people who work together, and are able to create massive worlds and make it look good in less than a year. Now Jagex, I am sure, can do it much better, faster, and more efficiently, as RuneScape is not a graphic heavy game.
As I said before, it is certainly do-able, it is just Jagex's motivation. They first need to plan, then create.
You're missing a massive point.
They start with a blank canvas.
Jagex do not have that luxury - everything will have to be more or less the same and it takes a huge amount of time to 'recreate' something rather than making something new. Cut and paste won't work in anyway shape or form. And those new games that took a year to 'look good' probably have 1%* of the content Runescape has since it's been updated monthly for what 15 years?
Hell, I could make a world in 4 months the same size of skyrim for visual purposes only. There certainly wont be any quests, the NPC's wont be able to move and I won't have made any of the assets myself. But it will look good.
It's just not comparable.
*totally made up - I don't know the content ratio but it will be really tiny.
~ Big Boss.
PS. I'd be happy to help Jagex - if they give me a big office with a sea view.
18-Sep-2014 13:31:01
Big Boss 1
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AI-lslam said :
Big Boss 1 said :
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You're missing a massive point.
They start with a blank canvas.
Jagex do not have that luxury - everything will have to be more or less the same and it takes a huge amount of time to 'recreate' something rather than making something new. Cut and paste won't work in anyway shape or form. And those new games that took a year to 'look good' probably have 1%* of the content Runescape has since it's been updated monthly for what 15 years?
Hell, I could make a world in 4 months the same size of skyrim for visual purposes only. There certainly wont be any quests, the NPC's wont be able to move and I won't have made any of the assets myself. But it will look good.
It's just not comparable.
*totally made up - I don't know the content ratio but it will be really tiny.
~ Big Boss.
PS. I'd be happy to help Jagex - if they give me a big office with a sea view.
Get a couple J-Mods, they will be able to create a new game world shaped similarly to the current one, but much more massive. If you say you can create a Skyrim sized world in 4 months, then let us say these J-Mods can do the same. And since RS is less graphics intensive, 3 months.
Now we have 9 months til the year is over. Now if more J-Mods pitched in, depending on the number, the faster they will be able to recreate the game onto this new world. And as people suggested it before, they don't have to do it all at once. They do have the assets of the cities, objects, etc saved. They can easily take those assets and place them in the new world. Then after this they can configure with making all the content work, the NPC's, quests, minigames, etc.
They can get a large chunk of it finished in 1 year. I wouldn't say complete, but a large chunk. But alas, they just need the motivation. It can be done, we cannot deny that part. This is a dying game. Everything about it is just gaining XP and levels for a stupid cape, it's not about the unlocks. The skills are broken, combat system is dull and repetitive. And the MTX...lol.
AI-lslam said :
Big Boss 1 said :
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You're missing a massive point.
They start with a blank canvas.
Jagex do not have that luxury - everything will have to be more or less the same and it takes a huge amount of time to 'recreate' something rather than making something new. Cut and paste won't work in anyway shape or form. And those new games that took a year to 'look good' probably have 1%* of the content Runescape has since it's been updated monthly for what 15 years?
Hell, I could make a world in 4 months the same size of skyrim for visual purposes only. There certainly wont be any quests, the NPC's wont be able to move and I won't have made any of the assets myself. But it will look good.
It's just not comparable.
*totally made up - I don't know the content ratio but it will be really tiny.
~ Big Boss.
PS. I'd be happy to help Jagex - if they give me a big office with a sea view.
Get a couple J-Mods, they will be able to create a new game world shaped similarly to the current one, but much more massive. If you say you can create a Skyrim sized world in 4 months, then let us say these J-Mods can do the same. And since RS is less graphics intensive, 3 months.
Now we have 9 months til the year is over. Now if more J-Mods pitched in, depending on the number, the faster they will be able to recreate the game onto this new world. And as people suggested it before, they don't have to do it all at once. They do have the assets of the cities, objects, etc saved. They can easily take those assets and place them in the new world. Then after this they can configure with making all the content work, the NPC's, quests, minigames, etc.
They can get a large chunk of it finished in 1 year. I wouldn't say complete, but a large chunk. But alas, they just need the motivation. It can be done, we cannot deny that part. This is a dying game. Everything about it is just gaining XP and levels for a stupid cape, it's not about the unlocks. The skills are broken, combat system is dull and repetitive. And the MTX...lol.
19-Sep-2014 00:14:08
@Jon Stryder
Hello, and thanks.
I am not an expert on Java or the coding side of things. But as far as I can tell they must have reached some sort of upper limit to their map size. Hence why no new large areas have been opened up beyond the current square map. Which I think is linked to the game engine itself (if someone wants to correct me on that feel free). It probably doesn't support worlds larger than whatever the current x/y size is.
There are bugs that could be associated with larger worlds that may not be present on the current map size. As an example of such bugs, the skyrim game engine specifically can't compute physics beyond a 132 by 132 cell worldspace. (Skyrim's world size was 119 by 94 cells, so it was not an issue in-game) But this bug broke all player created worlds over that size. It seemed random but I think it turned out that it was buried deep in the gaming code and could not be fixed.
So I think they might have to rewrite their game engine. I don't know if it's Java itself that is preventing the map from being expanded or if its the way in which runescape was written.
But as I said before because they will probably have to re-write the whole engine that then opens up lots of new possibilities. Think climate/weather systems, better camera control etc etc. Who knows what they could do - but it will all come down to money.
Lastly, I don't know if they will ever re-write the game to the extent that it would need to be to increase something like the map size since as far as I know those variables are pretty close to the 'core'. We had Runetek 5 in 2009, but as much as I can read on that it sounds like it was only to do with graphics. So the core game has never been touched since 2001 or 2004 - I don't know if it was looked at when it was updated to RS 2 from RS classic but I assume that that again was only graphical.
Perhaps we should be lobbying for them to update their game engine.
~ Big Boss
Hello, and thanks.
I am not an expert on Java or the coding side of things. But as far as I can tell they must have reached some sort of upper limit to their map size. Hence why no new large areas have been opened up beyond the current square map. Which I think is linked to the game engine itself (if someone wants to correct me on that feel free). It probably doesn't support worlds larger than whatever the current x/y size is.
There are bugs that could be associated with larger worlds that may not be present on the current map size. As an example of such bugs, the skyrim game engine specifically can't compute physics beyond a 132 by 132 cell worldspace. (Skyrim's world size was 119 by 94 cells, so it was not an issue in-game) But this bug broke all player created worlds over that size. It seemed random but I think it turned out that it was buried deep in the gaming code and could not be fixed.
So I think they might have to rewrite their game engine. I don't know if it's Java itself that is preventing the map from being expanded or if its the way in which runescape was written.
But as I said before because they will probably have to re-write the whole engine that then opens up lots of new possibilities. Think climate/weather systems, better camera control etc etc. Who knows what they could do - but it will all come down to money.
Lastly, I don't know if they will ever re-write the game to the extent that it would need to be to increase something like the map size since as far as I know those variables are pretty close to the 'core'. We had Runetek 5 in 2009, but as much as I can read on that it sounds like it was only to do with graphics. So the core game has never been touched since 2001 or 2004 - I don't know if it was looked at when it was updated to RS 2 from RS classic but I assume that that again was only graphical.
Perhaps we should be lobbying for them to update their game engine.
~ Big Boss
22-Sep-2014 00:14:03
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