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Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Jagex know better than anybody in their games, although I have plenty of reasons they need to monetize them more from what are publicly shown.

OSRS has rewards, including truly exclusive and untradable ones from Leagues. I don't see why RS3 can't have rewards in something similar in that nature.

OSRS has explicitly require additional account, and hence payment from GIM, likewise, I don't see why RS3 can't require similar thing for TSW although I will be happy if I don't have to pay extra for both RS3 TSW and OSRS GIM.

RS3 has better xp rate. I don't see why OSRS can't have it. I actually may pay a little bit OSRS FSW if it has at least some meaningful rewards, but there is no chance I will touch it now.

RS3 has some forms of monetization OSRS doesn't have now. I don't see why OSRS can't have them soon. Perhaps the 3 sales managers Jagex hiring for OSRS to monetize OSRS will take a look at RS3 and come up with their version.

Perhaps there is a point Mods Jack, Markos and Kieran hasn't covered but Mod Goblin may have:

"While other MMOs have expansion models that serve as a 'jumping-on' point, OSRS doesn't have that same 'moment' for people to be a part of. This is aimed entirely at potential new players or returning players who are on the fence to see if we can't get them to give OSRS a go!"

If all those FSW and game modes in OSRS are Jagex's version of "expansions" the other MMOs have, you better believe they want to monetize them as all the other MMOs monetize their expansions separately from their buy-to-pay and subscription.

19-Aug-2022 23:01:17

Apr

2020

H 1 L D A

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RS3 needs a genuine ‘League’ to have those rewards be something I’d be for. If Hooli and Jack are to be believed, Fresh Start Worlds are -definitely- not a League. Therefore, I don’t personally see why RS3’s Fresh Start Worlds need rewards unless Jagex found that rewards are what lapsed players want (if that is the case then the Old School team is really missing the mark there.)

Don’t see a problem with RS3 requiring players to sub a Group Ironman account should they release GIM, so long as F2P is available. The same applies for Fresh Start Worlds though. Unfortunately, only the Old School Team is getting this right on both fronts. I would not play nor subject a group to a forced subscription in order to simply participate.

I’d have reasons for playing both modes. OS with a hard reset for everyone and being free sounds super fun. The rewards are cool in RS3. Unfortunately, one is more accessible than the other. I’d make a note of that if I were a new/returning player. I’d also be worried that players playing RS3 are doing it to obtain large amounts of wealth in the main game through the trade-able tokens instead of doing it for more palatable reasons. I would sincerely hope Jagex isn’t trying to get players to alt-farm and give them a bunch of subs for the quick easy pound there. High-roller merchers can take a hike.

Old School’s playerbase won’t stand for particular abuses like overmonetization. There’s a handful of REALLY good reasons there are two RuneScapes. Those new hires would be wise to learn what they won’t get away with before making a big mistake.

Fresh Start Worlds certainly aren’t like World of Warcraft expansions in the sheer amount of new content those pump out with each release. Even counting the bells and whistles FSWs come with in RS3, there’s no new quests, bosses, or areas. Goblin seems to be saying “hey, other games have these big content drops that are clear entry points due to their size [and RS doesn’t!], here.

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19-Aug-2022 23:57:35 - Last edited on 20-Aug-2022 00:03:14 by H 1 L D A

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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^^
Already told you many many times RS3 and OSRS got their ideas from SURVEYS. What RS3 players want in cosmetic, fast xp and such may not be what OSRS players want.

Four legs good, two legs better. It applies to OSRS too. If Jagex can't survive with undermonetizing OSRS, there will be either no OSRS but new OSRS clones with a lot of monetization or a lot of monetization in the current OSRS if it wants to stand on 2 legs.

RS3's economy is totally player driven. Jagex doesn't buy FSW cosmetics to artificially make those players rich. They only get what the existing players want to pay them. Besides, cosmetics don't mean garbage to 99.999999999999% of the economy. They aren't like tbows that most players need.

20-Aug-2022 00:14:29

Apr

2020

H 1 L D A

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1. I would love to see the survey data released. It would tell us a whole lot about what kinds of questions were asked, and who was answering them. I also think it would diffuse any mistrust some players may have regarding any potential ulterior motive on Jagex’s end. I think it’s entirely possible that Jagex did -not- ask specific RS3/OSRS questions or separate the lapsed players into those two potential groups - seeing as subbing for one of the two games means you are subbed for the other as well. If we’re just talking about where the subscription money is coming from, Jagex probably doesn’t care so long as they are getting it. Maybe they -did- ask specific questions about each game. However, there weren’t always two RuneScapes. If you know for sure, I’d love to see your source!

2. Again - not too worried about Old School’s playerbase. They don’t let Jagex push them around without significant retribution. That game is very dependent on player approval. You might even say the inmates are running the asylum there. Anything you try to paywall those folks over, you better know the people will want the product.

3. You know what can make something expensive? Rarity! It’s still not gonna be all that easy to get certain 99’s (let alone 120’s) or pets in the time the event is happening. Then, when the event ends, players get 1 token to either trade to a main account -or- sell. You’re kidding yourself if you think people won’t try to farm them. They are -going- to be expensive simply because the demand will be much higher than the supply.

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20-Aug-2022 00:39:17

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Survey are not polls. Data they got is just for their own internal decision makings and future reference. We have seen the questions actually. OSRS ran plenty of such surveys too including the Partnership MTX one, not the polled. They never released any data then, why should they do it now?

Did OSRS approve Partnership MTX? Absolutely not. The poll failed but don't tell us we don't have

Purple Skin

, exclusive

Prime Gaming Soul Wars worlds

among other things. Don't forget OSRS didn't poll FSW and we can only take it or leave it but have no say to demand OSRS not to do it. And don't forget they never released the Partnership MTX survey result to us. They just put them in the game and have Mod MikeD told us they needed them.

OSRS used to get less MTX only because Jagex can monetize RS3, but there is always a limit that the community can pay. When RS3 can't be monetized more, there is no choice the extra monetization has to come from OSRS... and we already see Jagex hiring 3 monetization managers for OSRS.

Oh! Don't forget existing players will not be THE OSRS community soon. They will be only a part of the community with NEW and LAPSED players who may embrace MTX happily.

Nobody needs to get any 99s to get a milestone "rare" in FSW. Even a player get level 50-ishs in all skills, which literally takes only a couple of days, gets 3 out of 8 such "rares" already.

20-Aug-2022 00:52:20 - Last edited on 20-Aug-2022 01:06:26 by Dilbert2001

Apr

2020

H 1 L D A

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Good will? Giving a crap about your existing consumers? Validating your own claims so people don’t have legs to stand on when they criticize you? I didn’t say they -had- to release anything. And they probably can’t show the face to face interviews due to legal constraints, but you aren’t the tiniest bit interested in the results? I mean. Those are the foundation of these game modes and potentially other content we may see in the future. Data is exciting!

They actually -did- poll Fresh Start Worlds! I’d encourage you to go look up the content creator J1mmy’s YouTube video going over the game modes poll OS had. ‘Fresh Start Servers’ are literally the first type of game mode listed (5:01 time stamp in J1mmy’s video.) The only thing different about the suggested mode and the one they are getting? You cannot be an ironman like advertised in the poll.

Purple skin and Soul Wars are actually very weak examples of monetary partnership MTX on Old School. Wanna know a crazy little secret? You do not need Twitch Prime to get purple skin from the Makeover Mage or play Soul Wars. You want to try and trip up? Might wanna try listing the other things. If the hardest monetization Old School gets is only sneak peeks at content they will eventually get later, Jagex is using kiddie gloves.

Maybe? Or maybe nobody plays FSW at all in Old School and the mode’s increased difficulty (fresh GE, everyone’s a noob) with no reward or gimmick pushes even active experienced players away - meaning the experiment fails and Jagex is still left with an obstinate playerbase that is willing to standup for itself.

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20-Aug-2022 01:49:44

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Jagex did surveys a lot of time with different owners since 2001. Most of the time they didn't show the results.

The game mode survey was one of such I mentioned. Did they reveal the result? Did Fresh Start mode get 75% approval? What about the other game modes? I don't recall they telling us anything. Mod Kieran also talked about Easy and Hard Modes OSRS too, but it was just talk and no result shown. But so what? They don't need to show us anything and they don't need 75% OSRS players to tell them to go ahead to do this or don't do that.

Twitch Prime buyers got Purple Skin earlier than non-payers, but it is MTX nonetheless as RS3 has such Earlier Access to skins through Premier Club among other things and some players cried out loud for that. Don't worry though. Whatever "weak" MTX isn't enough, perhaps that's why OSRS is getting 3 more sales manager to give them stronger monetization.

Same thing with OSRS FSW. If nobody plays them then I am sure the monetization managers will try something else, perhaps like monetizing Leagues. A Jmod, I think it was Husky, told us marketing told him about the idea of paying a Bond to reset League. There are numerous ways to monetize a game. If one idea doesn't work, try another one.

20-Aug-2022 03:09:30

Apr

2020

H 1 L D A

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I don’t know the results no - and no, I would imagine Fresh Start Worlds came from the c-suite and above the Old School team’s head.

There’s a difference between saying they “need” to do something and saying that doing so would be nice.

My point with mentioning the eventual release of purple skin/SW is that players - while still upset that yet another RuneScape was falling prey to the - yes, inevitable - arrival of additional paywalls, they could simply wait out the period that was given for the sneak peek and then avoid paying for the partnered service anyway. Yes, it’s MTX, but it’s inconsequential MTX that only caught negative flak because of Old School’s Puritan principal.

Transitioning to something a little more on topic - RuneScape can do the same thing here with Fresh Start Worlds with a few of the rewards. They could introduce the token as a reward as advertised for say, the inverse Skillcapes, but provide the ability to purchase the inverse cape from the Max Guild/sellers later on, either just because or by celebrating certain xp thresholds or achievement log completions or whatever. That would make the FOMO element go away, allow Jagex to properly focus on FSW as a lapsed player experiment some, and garner more support from active players.

Just because a company -can- monetize something doesn’t mean it’s the most savvy business decision every time.

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20-Aug-2022 04:13:20 - Last edited on 20-Aug-2022 04:14:25 by H 1 L D A

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Whether players want and the company needs are two very different things. OSRS is getting plenty of new game modes and different sales managers too. There can be many different new ways to monetize each of them. It is going to be fun.

As for RS3, you better believe the cosmetics are part of their returning initiatives. They don't just want xp but its the trend of the video game industry to get rare cosmetics, especially if (not sure if Jagex want to at this point) Jagex turn play to earn or participate in real money playing trading like Steam then all these MTX products can worth a lot of real money.

20-Aug-2022 04:26:51

Apr

2020

H 1 L D A

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If players don’t get what they want - they leave. Again, monetizing everything isn’t always the most savvy business decision.

If your idea of a good game is being able to buy everything with your wealth I’d argue that an MMO isn’t the game for you - because working with friends and putting in time to achieve goals is what really makes the MMO experience. Yes. MMO’s are considered part of an antiquated genre in today’s games industry, and ‘adapt or die’ absolutely applies.

As a longtime player, I would think what RuneScape is to you would put you closer to the perspective of someone who doesn’t want the game to lose its identity. I mentioned that Jagex could do no wrong in a sarcastic tone earlier.

The way you post makes me believe you approve of Jagex putting their hand in your wallet and that being able to buy things from them as a consumer is more fun than the game itself.

I wanna know, Dilbert. How would -you- improve RuneScape if you were the head of the company? Would you really try to muscle out Old School’s playerbase with monetization they clearly oppose? Would you really try to prioritize making money over making the game enjoyable for the greatest possible number of players?

Do you really think players have no place to criticize you if make certain decisions that prevent them from enjoying your product?

I’ve already said I want the games to grow. But RuneScape should die the proud widely-acclaimed game it has been for two decades over being kept alive a shell of it’s former self. Some business decisions for me - as a player and in the imaginary realm where I’m in charge - are more important than profit above all else.

Sometimes, I wonder what the Gower brothers think of the game they brought into the world today.

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20-Aug-2022 05:32:11

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