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Dilbert2001
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Please. RS3 has made more comments than just one new post. If only OSRS can offer similar extra comments and explanations, I'd appreciate it.

Jagex (both RS3 and OSRS) mentioned they based their implementations of FSW on researches. We don't see their research data and if you don't believe or agree with them, nothing to even discuss here.

They also talked about the extra account needed (and possibly extra membership fee) though. They compared it to the extra IM account and extra membership players have been paying on top of the membership their mains are paying. This is the valued added service they charge for BOTH RS3 and OSRS for years, and even more so now in OSRS with GIM mode. Don't sidestep the extremely obvious fact such value added services, if not even more so, are in OSRS.

16-Aug-2022 20:52:05

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I shouldn’t have to start delving into emergency Twitch streams or Mod Jack’s Reddit history to understand what the point of Fresh Start Worlds is. That should be plainly on the front page of the website and accessible news when I log into the game.

It was just plainly explained over on the Old School page.

It wasn’t here.

That. Is. The point. Nothing against Mods Hooli, Kalaya, and Jack.
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16-Aug-2022 21:28:56

Dilbert2001
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H 1 L D A said :
I shouldn’t have to start delving into emergency Twitch streams or Mod Jack’s Reddit history to understand what the point of Fresh Start Worlds is. That should be plainly on the front page of the website and accessible news when I log into the game.

It was just plainly explained over on the Old School page.

It wasn’t here.

That. Is. The point. Nothing against Mods Hooli, Kalaya, and Jack.


So why are they doing so many OSRS Livestreams if they can just plainly explained everything over on the Old School page?

OSRS put up a FAQ thread while disabling discussing in the RSOF only because they were unwilling to go over and answer the questions, in the wake of a cancelled Q&A livestream just last week.

Actually the RS3 team once said they have writeups on livestreams and every week they summitted a summary on Thursday planned for RSOF, but they don't know why they weren't being posted. We have already gone through this topic on Page 6, Post 2 of this thread:

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16-Aug-2022 21:39:39

Killashandra
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Having only read the Jagex news post and read the forum posts, I'm feeling very ambiguous about this.

It seems to me that there ARE going to be benefits in the main game for playing on the FSWs, even for long time players.

XP boosts - these don't worry me. I ground out every 99 but I realise how hard it must be for anyone to start the game from scratch when there are players who already have xp in the 100 millions. Just the increase in the number of skills you have to grind must feel off-putting to new players. So, give new players xp boosts by all means.

Increase drop chances - not happy with this. I don't even pvm that much but for those players who do pvm, how fair is it that players from the FSWs will have better drop chance than they will? It's unfair - if someone is given the chance to get their stats up quickly so they can fight the harder bosses, why also give them better drop chances than long-time players?

Tradable rares - again, this seems a step too far. I came into the game just too late to get the real rares handed out so it's a slap in the face to find that, if I want a chance for new ones, I have to create a new account. I know that I can get rares from drops, etc, (but RNG hates me :) ) but, new players or old, we all have the same chance. Why are FSW accounts able to get extra rares that I can't get and which I'll never be able to afford?

I know I can create a new account to play on FSW if it's important to me but I have a job, a family, and friends in RL and I don't play the game all day, every day so I wouldn't have the time to run 2 accounts so that's not an option for me.

So FSWs might be OK for people who can spare the time/money to play on more than one account, or to new/lapsed players, but Jagex again seem to be ignoring a lot of long-term, loyal players. Maybe they feel that they can afford to because we'll just carry on paying membership because that's what we always do? It's a mistake to ignore your cash cows!

16-Aug-2022 22:21:54

Dilbert2001
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^^
FYI, the FSW "rares" aren't really that rare:

Every 500 total level you reach.
Every 50 Quest Points.
Every 2,000 RuneScore.


There are nice xp to kickstart a new character and tradeable "rares" to get, but they are non-RNG based and everybody can get some with fixed number of progressions. They may worth decent gp for newbies but really not popping rares worth billions of gp each.

16-Aug-2022 22:50:47

Killashandra
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Dilbert2001 said :
^^
FYI, the FSW "rares" aren't really that rare:

Every 500 total level you reach.
Every 50 Quest Points.
Every 2,000 RuneScore.


There are nice xp to kickstart a new character and tradeable "rares" to get, but they are non-RNG based and everybody can get some with fixed number of progressions. They may worth decent gp for newbies but really not popping rares worth billions of gp each.


Still more than I will get on my long-term account. Bribery to get new accounts created? Definitely. Fair to long-term players who aren't given the same options? Definitely not!

16-Aug-2022 23:19:57

Dilbert2001
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Killashandra said :
Dilbert2001 said :
^^
FYI, the FSW "rares" aren't really that rare:

Every 500 total level you reach.
Every 50 Quest Points.
Every 2,000 RuneScore.


There are nice xp to kickstart a new character and tradeable "rares" to get, but they are non-RNG based and everybody can get some with fixed number of progressions. They may worth decent gp for newbies but really not popping rares worth billions of gp each.


Still more than I will get on my long-term account. Bribery to get new accounts created? Definitely. Fair to long-term players who aren't given the same options? Definitely not!


Yes, it is fair to me and I am an almost primordial player. It s fair in the way that the only way for new players to come to an old game is to have them progressing at faster rate. At least it is much fairer than putting every new player at level 90 instaantly like WoW. It is also fair when they can give Jagex the money they need to let their old games live longer.

16-Aug-2022 23:34:57

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Everyone likes additional information. The problem is, Hooli and Kalaya’s stream was sort of last minute and in response to community concerns - and it’s purpose essentially was to fulfill what Ayiza’s newspost did for Old School, which was right on the front page of the website.

I’m not getting into the weeds with you. Deflecting on Old School equal shortcoming doesn’t make RS3’s communication seen as remarkable anyway. It just means Jagex as a company needs to improve on initial communication. I have no interest in talking about OSRS beyond it’s own Fresh Start Worlds, as it’s unique that they are getting them too.

Here’s what intrigued me. Old School -isn’t- doing anything with their FSW that give it that special, limited-time FOMO effect like RS3 does. It’s more a pure reset of the base game.

If the draw for lapsed players is playing with their friends in a clean restart - why does RS3 have boosted xp and all these other bells and whistles that are more similar to a Leagues format?

If the draw is all of those bells and whistles, then why is Old School’s so barebones?
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16-Aug-2022 23:44:13

Killashandra
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Dilbert2001 said :
Killashandra said :
Dilbert2001 said :
^^
FYI, the FSW "rares" aren't really that rare:

Every 500 total level you reach.
Every 50 Quest Points.
Every 2,000 RuneScore.


There are nice xp to kickstart a new character and tradeable "rares" to get, but they are non-RNG based and everybody can get some with fixed number of progressions. They may worth decent gp for newbies but really not popping rares worth billions of gp each.


Still more than I will get on my long-term account. Bribery to get new accounts created? Definitely. Fair to long-term players who aren't given the same options? Definitely not!


Yes, it is fair to me and I am an almost primordial player. It s fair in the way that the only way for new players to come to an old game is to have them progressing at faster rate. At least it is much fairer than putting every new player at level 90 instaantly like WoW. It is also fair when they can give Jagex the money they need to let their old games live longer.


As I said, I have no problem with new players having the ability to get xp at a faster rate than I did - the game is twice as big as when I started!

My issue is with them getting more drops and rares (whether ultra-rare or not) that long-term players in the main game can't get.

It seems to me that alienating loyal players to attract new ones (who may stay a few months but who will then lose interest because they aren't being continually bribed to stay) is the wrong way to run a business.

And while some long-term players are fine with the changes, it seems a lot aren't. I suspect that Jagex think that loyalty isn't worth rewarding because we're all so invested in the game that we won't quit. Except that there's only so much that some can take and it only takes one thing to disenchant people who have remained loyal.

16-Aug-2022 23:48:49

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