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Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Nobody is forced to spend money if they don't want to, FSW in RS3 and OSRS gamemodescapes such as Leagues, DMM, Boss Bash Raffle included.

In the case of OSRS Leagues, there are exclusive and discontinued Trophies players who didn't participate (membership required) will never get. At least in FSW, the items are tradeable and none of them are said to be exclusive and discontinued.

Don't tell us Leasgues, GIM, DMM etc in OSRS are necessary updates for existing players. In fact, Leagues is a perfect illusion of your FOMO WoW issue. Yet, OSRS put them in the game but so what? Existence of Leagues, GIM, DMM and other game modes don't mean Jagex doesn't care about existing OSRS players.

Most modern games use tradeable cosmetics to draw players. I don't know why you still have to make up a "theory" when Mod Jack clearly told us the lapsed players asked for them. If you insist on any "theory" perhaps you should tell us OSRS isn’t confident they will draw back lapsed players as RS3 and other modern games demonstrated with tradeable "rares", that's why they added dwarf multicannon skins and such to Leagues.

16-Aug-2022 15:26:57

Apr

2020

H 1 L D A

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1. What? You literally have to provide membership to a completely new account in order to play on a Fresh Start World. Existing subscriptions can participate in seasonal Old School game modes, meaning you don’t need a second subscription. It’s not the same thing here. Players may simply choose to keep mainscaping OSRS, but that doesn’t mean they are dealing with an additional paywall (save for their own Freah Start Worlds.)

2. Old School players would tell you Leagues and DMM aren’t necessary updates. How does this relate to graphically updating Burthrope and Lummy? Better example this time though - but at least Leagues and DMM aren’t making you pay more money upfront than one should as a member. It feels a whole lot more caring when existing members can participate…

3. I already said up top Fresh Start Worlds - company line - are for lapsed players as Jack described. It was clear if you go to Reddit I guess. Sure didn’t seem that way in the news post here though. They are outright saying “experienced veterans should try the challenge of climbing these fresh ranks!”

4. Leagues and DMM isn’t designed with lapsed players at the forefront. Players actually -compete- on those game modes, and the cosmetics are simply there to encourage their already paying subscribers to take part even if the competition isn’t something that they really want to try and win.

5. If Jack wants to be kind enough to stop dodging the question on why these rewards are in RS3’s version of Fresh Start Worlds, along with the boons, high scores, xp and drop chance boosts - then I wouldn’t have to “theorize” at all!

Even if it’s as simple as “Players won’t come back to RuneScape 3 unless we give them tradeable rares like partyhats” - which is laughable - it would be better than nothing.

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16-Aug-2022 16:35:45 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2022 16:37:50 by H 1 L D A

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Again, nobody is forced to get membership. Nothing is discontinued or exclusive in FSW RS3. No membership is required to get them. Players can even buy them later or there are likely different ways to obtain them in the main RS3 game just like things in other promotions/events like Prime Gaming Purple Skin. Participants in FSW is similar to participants of Prime Gaming. They may need to pay extra to get extra to get goodies like

Purple Skin

and exclusive

Prime Gaming Soul Wars Worlds

.

Existing players most certainly can tell you Burthorpe and such updates aren't necessary, especially when Jagex themselves labelled them

NEW PLAYER EXPERIENCE

.

Already rebutted your misrepresentation of Jagex's quote when they said "experienced veterans should try the challenge of climbing these fresh ranks!”. Please don't dodge my rebuttal and answer why OSRS told free players to participate in Boss Bash Raffle but didn't give them the rights to earn any prize first. Obviously they mean experienced veterans may try FSW and free players can try Boss Bash Raffle but by no means do they encourage anybody to do anything.

How is Leagues not designed with lapsed players in the forefront when they keep talking about returning players from previous Leagues? All kinds of seasonal-like events like Leagues, DMM, DXP rely on returning players. Don't tell us "competing" in Leagues is fine but "competing" in FSW isn't. Besides, noody need to beat anybody or win anything in FSW. They simply obtain them when reaching certain milestones.

Mod Jack has been extremely candid with his comment - It is company focus on lapsed players with this FSW event and players asked for how it works. He didn't dodge any question. Why doesn't Mod Kieran speak up on OSRS's projects after ToA and roadmap that lapsed, existing and new OSRS are paying for, if not just OSRS FSW?

16-Aug-2022 17:01:06 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2022 17:16:47 by Dilbert2001

Apr

2020

H 1 L D A

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1. Yes. You need a new account with membership active on it to play the mode itself. Even if the rewards are by and large tradeable (why, if this is for “lapsed players”, I really would like an an explanation for) Fresh Start Worlds themselves - and the xp boosts, competition, boons, and boosted drop rates - are locked behind an entirely separate subscription. Would love to see a source that these could come in any game mode of partnership other than whenever the next Fresh Start World event occurs. If you wanted to participate in Fresh Start, you are in fact “forced to get membership”. Again. You’re just wrong on this one.

2. How did you provide a rebuttal again? It must’ve about as clear as the official news post for Fresh Start Worlds was about who the update is aimed for in RS3 I guess. Speaking of, that’s what I was paraphrasing in case you wanted to go read it for yourself.

3. I’m starting to think Mod Mat K and Mod Kieran shot your beloved pet or something. At least free players can play on Old Schools Fresh Start Worlds? You know. The point of this discussion. I don’t even know that free players participating in Boss Bash is relevant considering there’s not much boss content in F2P anyway. It’s certainly not in this discussion.

4. I don’t know - because the first League (a Kourend Only Ironman Mode) as well as a second one (Gridlocked-style Ironman Mode) was successful in generating so much interest that it got returners to try the mode out in spite of the fact these modes are built around the competition aspect primarily?

5. I’m gonna do that. You can’t influx cash into your buyables with bonds in Leagues or DMM, nor can you lamp or shooting star after eight weeks. This means that unlike FSW in RS3, the competition is fair and relies on game knowledge and skill.

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16-Aug-2022 17:35:24

Apr

2020

H 1 L D A

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6. It seems you didn’t read Old Schools post either. They literally mention a new Summit being formed about Old School’s future roadmap. As for Mod Jack - he’s addressed that the event itself, not the extraneous details specifically, are for returning players.

Unless of course, people want boosted xp to come back. (If they did, FSW in Old School would also have this. They don’t.)

Or their respondents literally care about not only getting skilling pets and skillcapes, but they care about *special* variants of these things. They don’t want to be special I would guess. They just want to catch up to the rest of the playerbase.

Or perhaps - you think lapsed players really don’t play RS3 because they don’t have rares. Which. Again. Is just laughable.

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16-Aug-2022 17:36:42 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2022 17:44:05 by H 1 L D A

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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You still failed to tell us why it was OK for us to pay for valued added items and services like

Purple Skin

and

Prime Gaming Soul Wars Worlds

even when we were paying our membership fee. There is no difference in FSW. We are paying for valued added items and services.

Please stop taking Jagex's words severely out of context. When OSRS wrote this, they certainly don't mean OSRS FSW is not for existing players even though they only mentioned new and returning players:

"Who are Fresh Start Worlds for?
It's for people who haven't played Old School RuneScape and are waiting for the right opportunity to play, and for those who played the game a while ago and are yet to return. We've done a bit of research which shows that this type of fresh start could be quite
appealing to these players. Given that Fresh Start Worlds requires minimal development time, we want to test out this theory and see whether we're right!"

Mod Mat K absolutely has nothing to do with FSW. I don't know and can care less if he or Md Kieran or Mod Jack shot your pet anyway as you would only get pixel pets in Jagex's games.

OSRS certainly talked about returning players and not just existing players when they talked Leagues even though they admitted Leagues 3 didn't go as well as they hoped for and they wished to make amends so players would return in League 4.

Players are know to create multiple accounts and fund them with membership either buyable with bonds or real money. How is it fair?

ROFL! OSRS talked about the Summer Summit in March but regretfully it never happened. And the news post you referred to was uploaded by Mod Ayiza with no way to discuss there. We have yet to hear a word from Mod Kieran. Why would we not want to ask Mod Kieran about the OSRS FSW but try so hard to single out Mod Jack when he has articulated the company's focus and lapsed players' demands?

16-Aug-2022 17:58:22 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2022 18:05:36 by Dilbert2001

Apr

2020

H 1 L D A

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Fresh Start Worlds are not a value added service though... It’s just straight up another account playing the same RuneScape, but with added benefits that in other game modes, including DarkScape and Dimension of the Damned here in RS3 land, did not previously require a completely separate account to play. These worlds relate far more on scale with DarkScape and DotD than they do for some stupid items or a sneak peek into Soul Wars (which everyone else got to eventually play later anyway.)

From that lense, if material is marketed poorly, it’s possible players assume Fresh Start Worlds would be the same. That’s the whole point of this thread - that it took an angry community ruining a Jmod’s vacation and that Jmod bravely responding to get the point across.

If RS3 and OSRS had the same product, and the same honest not-advertising approach taken by Mod Ayiza - far less people would be upset on our side of the community. Speaking of - your quote from literally talks about how OSRS’ FSWs are an experiment to draw in lapsed and new players and says nothing about existing players. I don’t see how this quote helps you. I think I got the context right on that.

What you didn’t quote was how they EXPECT players who are already active on OSRS to go hard for Tombs of Amascut instead.

Players play multiple accounts and fund them not out of FOMO, but because that’s how they choose to enjoy the game. You can always indulge in AltScape if multiple accounts is your thing and it doesn’t hurt anyone else. Unlike how Fresh Start Worlds will have players have a drop chance boost carry over into the main game, potentially hitting the economy for everyone and holding an unfair advantage over other players.

Just because you didn’t watch the Summit doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, Dilbert. Let’s not be revisionist.

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16-Aug-2022 20:04:31 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2022 20:15:44 by H 1 L D A

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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"What are Fresh Start Worlds?
Fresh Start Worlds are just a way to play the Old School RuneScape that you love, but on fresh worlds with a fresh economy, fresh hi-scores and on a level playing field.

It isn't a new game mode like Leagues or Deadman

, and there's no new content, rewards, or anything like that."

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Sorry, FSW isn't a new game mode like Leagues or Deadman, so whatever membership coverage apply to game mode like Leagues or Deadman doesn't apply to FSW.

You wrote:

"It’s just straight up another account playing the same RuneScape, but with added benefits..."

Exactly what valued added services are. When we get added benefits, we need to pay more or with a different pay package other than standard membership (e.g. Premier Club). We are getting added benefits in RS3 FSW in cosmetics, boosted xp etc so Jagex is asking for more payment, while OSRS is actually giving us LESS benefits in FSW (IM can't participate) so they don't have the values to ask for more money.

RS3 and OSRS "marketed" FSW under the same company focus of prioritizing lapsed and new players first. Why's the double standard?

I missed the OSR Summer Summit this year? Please show us all where is it then????????? Oh! Don't forget Mod Ayiza wrote:

"We understand you want to know what comes after the new Raid, and that's why

we're currently planning our next Summit

to share just what lies ahead for Old School."

I don't know how somebody has seen what they are "currently planning"...

16-Aug-2022 20:16:54 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2022 20:20:08 by Dilbert2001

Apr

2020

H 1 L D A

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Who said roadmaps had to be in the Summer every time? Lol.

When’s Mod Keeper giving us his next one? The only thing left on the roadmap is like a Yak Track or something. This is also irrelevant.

They didn’t “market” Fresh Start Worlds in Old School. They explained it’s purpose - made it free PRECISELY because of the lack of “added value” you mentioned.

So you’re saying because there is rewards and whatnot unlike Old School they -should- charge extra for it?

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16-Aug-2022 20:27:33

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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H 1 L D A said :
Who said roadmaps had to be in the Summer every time? Lol.

When’s Mod Keeper giving us his next one? The only thing left on the roadmap is like a Yak Track or something. This is also irrelevant.

They didn’t “market” Fresh Start Worlds in Old School. They explained it’s purpose - made it free PRECISELY because of the lack of “added value” you mentioned.

So you’re saying because there is rewards and whatnot unlike Old School they -should- charge extra for it?

I never said roadmaps had to be in the Summer Summit. I will settle for anything regarding the FSW from similar OSRS Jmods like Mod Markos or Kieran anytime anywhere.

So when RS3 explained FSW's purpose they "marketed" FSW, but when OSRS made similar comment, they didn't "market" it???? Good Joke!!!!!!!!!!!!

Consumers are willing to pay for added benefits only, quite logical they only wanted to pay extra for RS3 FSW but not OSRS FSW where they are actually getting less. Remember, Mod Jack told us they asked lapsed players what they want and implemented it in the game.

16-Aug-2022 20:35:32

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