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Dilbert2001
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For those like OP who are relentless trying to compare and argue on why RS3 and OSRS are not showing the same thing on FSW, please be honest and tell us and don't forget yourselves too, this has always been the case because they are two different games with two different products. However, legal requirements don't discriminate. A product of similar nature in both RS3 and OSRS have to show the CONSUMERS what they offer, abiding to all kinds of law such as the Consumer Protection Act.

For instance, RS3 and OSRS apparently show different information on the similar Jagex product Premier Club:

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/premier-club-202122

https://www.oldschool.runescape.com/premier-club

However, to the consumers and general public, both games essentially are showing us the same information that the CONSUMERS need to know by real world laws. It is only the fact that RS3 has a lot to offer but OSRS has nothing that create apparently the difference.

19-Aug-2022 16:38:13

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I don’t fear of missing out of Leagues. I already have an account with membership, so I can play whenever they come around! Wish I could say the same thing about Fresh Start Worlds… there’s a difference between membership and multiple memberships.

It might be an element of limitation, but time constraints aren’t nearly as frustrating as having an -additional- paywall on the content itself, which is what I wish I could interact with. You don’t hear very many souls complaining about missing out on Leagues trophies.

The base free player experience isn’t nothing in either game. If RuneScape itself can be free to play, and Old School can offer Fresh Start Worlds for the same price of nothing, then why should RS3 offer an additional subscription as a must have?

I understand that the point is to appeal to new/lapsed players (according to the company) - but wouldn’t it be easier to those players to experience the game for free if that’s what the company is ultimately hoping for?

I believe RS3 could have had success doing the exact same thing Old School is doing. Strongly.

I know that may sound heartless that I don’t particularly care for the pocketbooks of the staff much in this singular particular case - but if this is supposed to be an experiment and there’s data that suggests this is what players from years past want, I want to see the best possible environment to reach that target audience. If I were a lapsed player. Hoping into Old School for free with friends who are also completely starting over but know more about the game as it is today sounds way more appealing than xp boosts and silly cosmetics.

I want Jagex to do right by their target consumer here. Especially if that’s why I can’t even participate in the event myself due to the extra financial commitment than I’m already making.
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19-Aug-2022 17:33:14

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No. You already missed out the Trophies of all the Leagues you missed because you don't get them again in League 4 and beyond.

RS3 FSW should be a lot more successful in that respect as they don't have untradeable Trophies and such that non-participants absolutely can't get.

19-Aug-2022 17:55:56

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And I’m not able to complain about that. Either I personally chose to do play the main games instead or wasn’t active during the time constraints.

That’s not me - an already paying subscriber - being paywalled further.

I don’t care about that respect being successful. I want the events to grow the game without alienating players. As Jagex has stated their aim was.

To bar FSW behind a second paywall makes it comparable to partnership deals or treasure Hunter. Not great company as far as “additional benefits” are concerned, seeing as these are regularly complained about. It’s not like using your own membership you already have to play Leagues or DMM.
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19-Aug-2022 19:40:55

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H 1 L D A said :
And I’m not able to complain about that. Either I personally chose to do play the main games instead or wasn’t active during the time constraints.

That’s not me - an already paying subscriber - being paywalled further.

I don’t care about that respect being successful. I want the events to grow the game without alienating players. As Jagex has stated their aim was.

To bar FSW behind a second paywall makes it comparable to partnership deals or treasure Hunter. Not great company as far as “additional benefits” are concerned, seeing as these are regularly complained about. It’s not like using your own membership you already have to play Leagues or DMM.

If you are arguing about the "additional benefits", you probably should argue with OSRS as they answered the question why they want us to create new accounts in game modes, as well as pay extra membership fees especially in Ironman and GIM even for players who already have 9,000 membership paying accounts.

Sorry if you don't like partnership deals or TH, but OSRS definitely engaged in such partnership deals and RS3 has TH. Both games need to monetize us to survive.

19-Aug-2022 19:51:41

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IM/GIM have entirely different rulesets so as to preserve the integrity of the mode (nobody wants an ironman’s life story of how Jagex Launcher still isn’t a thing), but I think I’ve seen complaints for sure. You act like I’m trying to pump up Old School as the superior product. A vast majority of my achievements come from RS3. OSRS probably does have breaches of fairness somewhere. Lately, that’s not my concern.

If both games are prioritizing monetization by necessity with FSW worlds, why can you play a free version of the Old School option?

If both games are truthfully experimenting with trying to get lapsed players to fall in love with RS again, then why alienate the target with a subscription that, despite what Mod Kalaya says, is not necessary?

The reason I bring up Old School isn’t to say one is doing it better than the other. I want to know how Jagex came to the same conclusion company wide but ended up with two entirely different takes on the exact. same. concept.
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19-Aug-2022 20:06:29

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H 1 L D A said :
IM/GIM have entirely different rulesets so as to preserve the integrity of the mode (nobody wants an ironman’s life story of how Jagex Launcher still isn’t a thing), but I think I’ve seen complaints for sure. You act like I’m trying to pump up Old School as the superior product. A vast majority of my achievements come from RS3. OSRS probably does have breaches of fairness somewhere. Lately, that’s not my concern.

If both games are prioritizing monetization by necessity with FSW worlds, why can you play a free version of the Old School option?

If both games are truthfully experimenting with trying to get lapsed players to fall in love with RS again, then why alienate the target with a subscription that, despite what Mod Kalaya says, is not necessary?

The reason I bring up Old School isn’t to say one is doing it better than the other. I want to know how Jagex came to the same conclusion company wide but ended up with two entirely different takes on the exact. same. concept.

Why can OSRS has different rulesets to monetize OSRS players but RS3 can't?

Good for OSRS as Jagex is hiring 3 more sales managers to monetize their players with holier than thou rulesets.

Mod Markos told us their stance already, be happy to embrace more monetizing rulesets going forward. There are lots of OSRS players on Reddit not liking such extra membership on top of membership "ruleset", especially those who are seeing Leagues 4 not happening this year or anytime soon because they have even started the design. Perhaps you can go there and tell them how happy you are with OSRS's "ruleset"

19-Aug-2022 20:16:20

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We -do-. You need to create a separate account, for the main game, to play an Ironman account on RS3. No complaints here. It’s already understood that at this time, you cannot have multiple permanent accounts with one subscription.

I never said Old School’s playerbase was happy with it either. They have the same economy concerns RS3 players are.

But they can play the mode for free if it fancies them, which might make it more likely for any friends they have that don’t play currently to come or come back.

You sound angry - but Jagex can’t do any wrong, so I’m confused as to why.
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19-Aug-2022 20:24:08

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H 1 L D A said :
We -do-. You need to create a separate account, for the main game, to play an Ironman account on RS3. No complaints here. It’s already understood that at this time, you cannot have multiple permanent accounts with one subscription.

I never said Old School’s playerbase was happy with it either. They have the same economy concerns RS3 players are.

But they can play the mode for free if it fancies them, which might make it more likely for any friends they have that don’t play currently to come or come back.

You sound angry - but Jagex can’t do any wrong, so I’m confused as to why.

If OSRS players are happy they wouldn't make such threads as I shown on Page 1, Post 2, and asked the questions about why extra accounts and extra payments on game modes that OSRS Jmods answered yesterday.

No. I am not angry. If there are anybody angry, they have to be the players (both RS3 and OSRS players) and maybe you who seem to have a bone to pick and singled out Mod Jack. Fortunately though, I am very happy rather Mods Markos and Kieran told us the same truth as Mod Jack.

19-Aug-2022 20:38:41

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Dunno where you’re getting that from. Mod Jack was way more intentional than whoever wrote the newspost on the front page. I have questions - but they are certainly not for him. He and Hooli and Kalaya did their best.

Again. I’m not saying Old School’s active playerbase is happy. Neither existing playerbase is pointing to Fresh Start Worlds and saying positive things as a collective. This is Jagex’s problem and one I hope they can fix.

If you -want- me to criticize Old School’s FSW… I think they could actually use RS3’s “bell curve” xp boost in their event too. It’s -hard- to get great exp rates in Old School, and if things like alternative game modes are to bookend the content year, it’s a cool representation of what those modes offer when they are running. In the same way introducing MTX during the “accomplishment phase” does (sadly) emulate RS3’s main game experience.

I don’t think either game mode -needs- rewards, and I don’t think you need to have members to enjoy either game with a fulfilling experience.

Doesn’t mean I don’t hope Jagex is not successful in their hypothesis. It’s our job as players to provide criticism when it’s valid.
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