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20-Mar-2019 17:37:19

Greek Theos
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Lord Drakan said :
Greek Theos said :
I don't like that the reason this update is even being talked about it because of people complaining about how a top tier cape is locked behind comp, imo, top tier content should require top tier achievements.
That isn't the reason. The reason is that the comp cape has BiS combat stats whilst having a completely random and inconsistent set of requirements, most of which have very little to do with combat. This leads to people who just want the cape for it stats, and aren't completionists, trying to get the cape, which they would not do if it were cosmetic. And this in turn leads to many problems with all kinds of content - even unreleased updates. A best-in-slot combat cape should have nothing to do with completionism or the comp cape.

Uncl said :
Leave the comp cape alone - it's balanced. It's an achievement that shows you've at least tried it all ( kinda ).
Lol no it isn't.

Uncl said :
Buff the comp(t) - ok, this means you've really done it all
That would make the existing problems even worse...

Uncl said :
Make CW armour degradables like tmw.
Why? It's perfectly all right inside Castle Wars and cosmetic outside. The problem with the Castle Wars requirement on the cape isn't the usefulness/mechanics of the decorative armour.

This all coming from 2,472 total level with 220m total exp and one 99. completionist should 100% be best in slot. if you won't put the work in for it, deal with your slightly less prestigious capes.

I saw the max cape and wanted it for it's stats, so I set out to get it, same with the comp cape. If bossing is your thing and you can't be bothered to get comp for the best cape, then deal with not having best in slot. Wherever this update takes us, I'll be getting the capes regardless.

20-Mar-2019 17:42:21

Sephiree
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Comp cape is for completionists as its name can tell you. It was also designed for them.
They like "wasting" time for doing "useless" achievements because they can. The cape is just an added bonus for them.

The problems begin when people are going for the cape because of it stats or utilty rather than enjoying doing the achievements. Since the start these problems have become worse and will need fixing. sooner rather than later (as with all things broken).
To make it better something new needs to exist that has similar stats/utility as the comp cape.

Jagex tries to do this by having meta-achievements with each their own cape/reward.
If you only care about the utility this should be enough for you.
But if you like completing stuff for completion sake then you can go for comp.
By combining all the rewards from the meta achievements into the comp cape, it keeps its prestige without devalueing effort already spent.
This makes comp cape only slightly better overall but not better in a single thing.

People would have no reason to do anything they dont want to, for rewards that benefit what they like to do. Those that do go for comp shouldnt complain about needing to do certain requirements or to upkeep the cape.

20-Mar-2019 17:48:30

Rikornak
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Greek Theos said :
This all coming from 2,472 total level with 220m total exp and one 99. completionist should 100% be best in slot. if you won't put the work in for it, deal with your slightly less prestigious capes.

I saw the max cape and wanted it for it's stats, so I set out to get it, same with the comp cape. If bossing is your thing and you can't be bothered to get comp for the best cape, then deal with not having best in slot. Wherever this update takes us, I'll be getting the capes regardless.

Even if he hasn't got a max cape it doesn't make his points so much less valid: The current comp cape is a random mess.

Some requirements do not fit at all when the old system should check for completables, rather then achievements (read: each completable is also an achievement, but it doesn't work the other way around - talking to some dude in a random set of armour might work as an achievement - but it certainly isn't a completable), and tons of other stuff are not acknowledged at all (or got solely a token requirement). The sole thing that really gets added are updated achievements (music, reaper, quests,...) - and for this aspect the legacy comp cape will not change at all.

The big difference to the new system is that this one actually is planned to check for achievements, which might even validate certain currently unfitting requirements, that got randomly added by flipping the coin. The big plus is that there will be a lot of stepping stones, which might not certainly have single requirements that do not fit to the remainder of a specific set. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
Quick Fixes: Invention

20-Mar-2019 19:00:56

Aqua Star

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To make it better something new needs to exist that has similar stats/utility as the comp cape.


That's not problem for comp cape thanks. That's their problem and I don't see them giving a fuck about anyone else. Now what's an unfun environment when you talk to people and see nonsense being said and stuff like that

20-Mar-2019 19:54:51

Lord Drakan
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Greek Theos said :
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I couldn't care less about having best-in-slot. I'm fine with Barrows. Either way I fail to see how my stats (in)validate my arguments? Unless you mean to imply I'm some kind of envious "I want comp but can't get it therefore I want to spite others" whiny type of person, in which case thanks for the compliment. Not. >.>

Comp cape should be cosmetic, because its stats are causing massive problems, as outlined in the dev blogs and this thread.

If you set out to get the comp cape for its states, that is precisely the problem. People shouldn't be doing that. Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

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20-Mar-2019 20:00:19

Cute Brat
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Lord Drakan said :
Greek Theos said :
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I couldn't care less about having best-in-slot. I'm fine with Barrows. Either way I fail to see how my stats (in)validate my arguments? Unless you mean to imply I'm some kind of envious "I want comp but can't get it therefore I want to spite others" whiny type of person, in which case thanks for the compliment. Not. >.>

Comp cape should be cosmetic, because its stats are causing massive problems, as outlined in the dev blogs and this thread.

If you set out to get the comp cape for its states, that is precisely the problem. People shouldn't be doing that.

If they made a pvm cape with stats and requirements and left the comp cape as it is that would be fine, what does it matter if it has stats if yours can have stats too? I like to slay and use my comp cape stats I dont want to have to do alot of pvm for a cape with stats just to do slayer when Ive already done the reqs for this cape Princess of World 98 =p~

20-Mar-2019 20:10:57

Lord Drakan
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Cute Brat said :
Lord Drakan said :
Greek Theos said :
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I couldn't care less about having best-in-slot. I'm fine with Barrows. Either way I fail to see how my stats (in)validate my arguments? Unless you mean to imply I'm some kind of envious "I want comp but can't get it therefore I want to spite others" whiny type of person, in which case thanks for the compliment. Not. >.>

Comp cape should be cosmetic, because its stats are causing massive problems, as outlined in the dev blogs and this thread.

If you set out to get the comp cape for its states, that is precisely the problem. People shouldn't be doing that.

If they made a pvm cape with stats and requirements and left the comp cape as it is that would be fine, what does it matter if it has stats if yours can have stats too? I like to slay and use my comp cape stats I dont want to have to do alot of pvm for a cape with stats just to do slayer when Ive already done the reqs for this cape
Because those stats onthe comp cape are causing massive problems. A replacement combat cape (that actually has relevant requirements) is part of the suggested rework, so that's fine. Not sure what "mine" is supposed to be; I have a quest cape. Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

Perhaps you're half right; perhaps we can't win. But we can fight.
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20-Mar-2019 21:24:44

Aqua Star

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Because those stats onthe comp cape are causing massive problems. A replacement combat cape (that actually has relevant requirements) is part of the suggested rework, so that's fine. Not sure what "mine" is supposed to be; I have a quest cape.


don't think so. Now what's an unfun environment when you talk to people and see nonsense being said and stuff like that

20-Mar-2019 22:33:04

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