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Miles Prower
Nov Member 2006

Miles Prower

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I don't see anybody "acting like dying is basically free after the rework"; more so concern that the cost of this is being passed on to players who have little interest in participating in the same activity. If somebody is trying to learn new mechanics of a new boss and is dying a lot, then they have Practice Mode available to serve this purpose. Free deaths, no reward, a fair compromise. As somebody who has experienced a fair share of deaths, I paid the price and did better next time.

It could be argued that the output from PvM should be reduced by 80% since death costs are being reduced by the same amount; the risk:reward ratio has been reduced. There are also better ways to achieve a gold and item sink. Remove all drops whereby the item may be obtained through a primary skilling method, as well as salvage (huge amounts of gold pumped into the game through alchemy), coin stacks and cash bags. In general combat outside bosses, the chance of even touching a drop table should be reduced. Low on bank space? Click here .

17-Dec-2022 12:31:49

SlR
Nov Member 2020

SlR

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Sorry, but what is being 'passed on' ? the money 'saved' from deaths ? It's not a zero sum game (or if it is, they shouldn't have worded it in that way) *sigh* Jagex, come on...
You know these forums are a s#!7show of complainers with nout constructive to offer...

1)
We are lowering death costs!
BUT everyone will have to pay 2% G/E tax to tackle inflation.

2)
We are adding a 2% G/E tax to tackle inflation
BUT you will have lowered death costs! yay!

Result: everyone contributes to deflation. bossing becomes more appealing / less punishing.

See how the two statements give a different effect? yet say the same thing? Guys, quit being so cynical about this. They could have added the 2% tax and kept death costs the same. Then this 'passing on' (costs) wouldn't exist. Take the death rework as a silver lining to the 2% G/E tax. They're doing what they can with alchables and other mehtods already. Unless anyone has better alternatives, quit moaning. It's easy to be a critic.

If you're making 2m daily on RS, and spending 25% of that daily, you're losing a mere 10k.
If you're a 'big spender' then sure, you'll get hit more, but you're likely earning more too...
This update helps lower players (mostly) and isn't that a good thing? (inb4 someone says 'why am i being punished for earning more' etc.) just be glad there isn't VAT on G/e items. Lol Bob says:
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Always check the second trade screen.
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17-Dec-2022 13:56:08 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2022 14:09:34 by SlR

Roddy Piper
Jan Member 2011

Roddy Piper

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"They could have added the 2% tax and kept death costs the same. Then this 'passing on' (costs) wouldn't exist. Take the death rework as a silver lining to the 2% G/E tax."

That is imaginary. The fact is people were complaining about death costs and that is their solution. Remove an amount of gold similar to their also imaginary death cost numbers.

If there was some OTHER purpose for the tax then there is still a lot of work to be done! But I'm gonna go with 2% being the perfect amount like they said, so no more is needed.

17-Dec-2022 16:18:28

SlR
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SlR

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Fair enough. I don't think even THEY know (whether it'll work), it'll just be whatever the calculator spat out at the time. Way too many variables that can change. More gold could come into the game if everyone starts bossing (I'm doubtful of that though). I guess they could change it down the line, to 1% (if it really causes problems for people). If they started with 1% it's kinda hard to go down from that so I think they chose 2% for the wriggle-room. Bob says:
A bank PIN will keep your items secure.
Always check the second trade screen.
Never trade in the Wilderness!
Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.
Never give your password out to anyone.

17-Dec-2022 17:41:31

Miles Prower
Nov Member 2006

Miles Prower

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The money you save from death is being passed on to all players including those who do not wish to participate in the same activity. This has been made clear many times and doubled down on in the latest Developer Blog. The 2% tax is to make up for the shortfall of death cost, and has not been advertised as dealing with the overall inflation problem.

If the two updates were announced independently of each other, then I would still be questioning both because - as I have previously stated - there are other methods of handling the problem. Announcing a 2% tax on a convenient method of trading to help get inflation under control would be undermined as soon as a reduced death cost was announced. There needs to be some trade-off within PvM activity itself. Low on bank space? Click here .

17-Dec-2022 18:03:47 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2022 18:04:44 by Miles Prower

SlR
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SlR

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Yeah, my point is that they worded it poorly if that's your how you feel. And you're not wrong to see it that way. I just think its more of a "we had to do something about inflation, so here is a 2% tax that will hit everyone equally. but the good news is: we're lowing death costs to make it less punishing / more accessible to new and returning players". It's only being 'passed on' if you choose to not take part, or never die with your expensive gear. I don't even know why this is a conversation tbh. Our hands are not tied. We don't have a 2% tax on p2p trades. Bob says:
A bank PIN will keep your items secure.
Always check the second trade screen.
Never trade in the Wilderness!
Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.
Never give your password out to anyone.

18-Dec-2022 11:06:48 - Last edited on 18-Dec-2022 14:21:54 by SlR

Roddy Piper
Jan Member 2011

Roddy Piper

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They COULD have said it was an adjustment to the economy PLUS we get death costs.

But that's just not true. They have talked about it throughout the process in their videos. The goal is to reduce death costs. To counter that they needed to make adjustments to the economy, to balance out the previous loss of gold to deaths.

It's a Public Relations problem. They need someone who can write with clarity and use their statements alongside the Jmod livestreams to steer the optics in their favor. At times I think they purposely try to look bad. IF that is not true they need some PR help bad.

18-Dec-2022 12:10:27

Miles Prower
Nov Member 2006

Miles Prower

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SlR said :
I just think its more of a "we had to do something about inflation, so here is a 2% tax that will hit everyone equally. but the good news is: we're lowing death costs to make it less punishing / more accessible to new and returning players".

With that I refer to my previous point: any anti-inflationary measure implemented is immediately undermined by reducing death costs which account for 62% of gold removed from the game. It would not be proper to ignore context even if the changes were announced a year apart. Personal interpretation is really irrelevant in this situation as the intentions have been put forward in black and white. Low on bank space? Click here .

18-Dec-2022 14:57:51 - Last edited on 18-Dec-2022 14:59:20 by Miles Prower

SlR
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SlR

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You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. Nothing else to add that hasn't already been said. I'm sorry that this update is going to impact you so much, I think you'll be OK though.

PS: lets see if you still feel the same a couple of weeks or months after the update hits. Bob says:
A bank PIN will keep your items secure.
Always check the second trade screen.
Never trade in the Wilderness!
Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.
Never give your password out to anyone.

19-Dec-2022 06:38:59 - Last edited on 19-Dec-2022 06:43:10 by SlR

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