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SlR
Nov Member 2020

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It'll be a drop in the ocean. I'll give it a couple of weeks of panic before everyone settles down and accepts it. Prices will fluctuate at first but they'll go back to how they were. That +5% and +20% button on the G/E buy/sell tab must frighten you lot to death! Steps need to be taken to slap this ridiculous inflation down, this is a necessary evil (that isn't so evil). IMO. Bob says:
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11-Dec-2022 17:58:28 - Last edited on 11-Dec-2022 18:01:36 by SlR

Miles Prower
Nov Member 2006

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SlR said :
Steps need to be taken to slap this ridiculous inflation down, this is a necessary evil (that isn't so evil). IMO.


I agree with the first part of this statement, but the tax will not resolve anything because it is being implemented in the context of reducing consequences of death, in what is meant to be a high risk/reward activity. If it were implemented as a standalone package, there could be a legitimate discussion about that. Unfortunately, that is not the case and it is being implemented to appease one play style while punishing another.
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11-Dec-2022 19:59:33

JoeFriday
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They should not tax transactions under say 500m - 1b gp. I am a skiller. This tax should be for over that amount so that skillers are not punished, it's their bread and butter, even if it's only 1%. However, this future tax is actually for the sole purpose of them increasing the max cash stack, whenever that is - the tax implement will likely come first so they can test it out, maybe make adjustments to it. When they increase max cash, then certain items can be traded again on the GE, this is where the tax will hit those 100b - 500b+ transactions that need that tax, these are also items that are highly manipulated, so it'll be interesting to see this roll out.

12-Dec-2022 07:52:37

Killashandra
Dec Member 2005

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I have read the arguments for this, both pro and con.

The fact remains that, mega expensive items apart (which have sold outside the GE anyway because of the price cap), the skillers will end up paying for this change, not PVMers.

If you're a PVMer, you gain back far more than you lose because of your gains in the lower death costs. Even if you put all your drops on the GE and, therefore, pay the 2% tax, you will still be in profit.

On the other hand taxing sellers on the GE only really hurts skillers.

When I first started playing RS, there was a balance, a fairness in the game, that meant we could all play the game as we wanted - in fact, that was one of the selling points. We weren't forced to PVM to get gp, we could choose to skill instead. I was one of those players and loved the game so much. I made money (not a lot, inflation hadn't struck back then) by skilling and selling what I grew/made to PVMers who, in turn, made their money from their drops.

It was fair because, while they risked losing their kit if they died, their chance of good drops out-weighed the risk. I took more time to make the same amount, risked less but knew that I had customers for my goods.

Now Jagex has lost its way, in my opinion. It wants to make money from MXT but doesn't know how to control it. It wants to pacify the PVMers but continually hammers the skillers in doing so. It changes the drops from monsters to give PVMers the skilling items thet would have bought from skillers before the changes.

Unfortunately, as with life, those who whine loudest get the most and PVMers have ever whined loudest while skillers just get on with the game.

Lower death costs won't tempt me into PVMing other than the bit I have to do. It will probably stop me from paying to play the game. I've already decided not to buy the gold premier membership because of this.

I believe I have membership paid for to April, we'll see what happens then.

12-Dec-2022 21:24:51

SlR
Nov Member 2020

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I'm a skiller, mainly because I don't want to risk losing my gear / cash to high death costs.
Since that is about to change, I'll be trying out a load of new content I wouldn't otherwise.
Bob says:
A bank PIN will keep your items secure.
Always check the second trade screen.
Never trade in the Wilderness!
Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.
Never give your password out to anyone.

13-Dec-2022 14:48:18 - Last edited on 13-Dec-2022 14:57:06 by SlR

Webmaster453
Aug Member 2021

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SlR said :
I'm a skiller, mainly because I don't want to risk losing my gear / cash to high death costs.
Since that is about to change, I'll be trying out a load of new content I wouldn't otherwise.
You can't lose gear through death and you have a Santa Hat in your profile. You were scared of nothing you couldn't afford.

13-Dec-2022 17:06:05

Miles Prower
Nov Member 2006

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Practice Mode has existed for several years to enable accessibility for learning mechanics and trying content without having to risk any gear.

If the tax must be implemented then another option is to apply it depending on the source. If the item was dropped during PvM activity, tax it. If it was obtained through skilling (e.g. chopped from a tree), make it tax-free.
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13-Dec-2022 17:20:54 - Last edited on 13-Dec-2022 17:27:41 by Miles Prower

a Failure
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2% of all GE sales seems like an awful lot of gold. If deaths were costing us so much that it takes 2% of ALL GE sales to cover PARTIAL reduction in death costs, then something is definitely very, very wrong with the death cost system.

13-Dec-2022 23:54:24 - Last edited on 18-Dec-2022 12:56:44 by a Failure

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

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They said in the livestream they work on the GE Tax because of the reduction of death tax. It is also easily understandable they want to lower the death cost to attract new players as other games have very low death cost, as well as encourage non-pvmers to try pvm activities and vice versa.

14-Dec-2022 00:53:01

Adarajin
Jan Member 2005

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I played Eve Online for a while, and there was a saying there.... "Only fly what you can afford to replace" (destruction of your ship was a complete loss for you). Many players, myself included, have nice expensive gear that they use to overpower easier content because they are not skilled enough (personally I really struggle with the tick system) to try out the really tough bosses that will guarantee them high repair costs that they can't afford. Yes, there is now practice modes for some of the newer bosses, but that doesn't apply to all the older bosses. I think of this as a sort of gentler, long-term 'free deaths event' which will get more players to try out bossing because the penalties of death will not be as expensive when they cannot 'guarantee' a reasonable amount of kills to offset their death costs.

As for the GE tax - this is a needed update to offset the rampant proliferation of excess gp in this game. For those afraid of losing your profits - just raise your prices by 2% to compensate for the 2% fee, and you will be losing a whopping 0.04% off of every transaction (assuming it's multiplicative math, where you earn 98% of 102% sales price)... don't like that 4 hundredths of a percent decrease? Increase your price by 3% and make more gp's.
Things may be looking down now, but I see a light at the end of the tunnel;
Do you think I should get off the tracks?

14-Dec-2022 03:43:42

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