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Marcin K
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Marcin K

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although I see many different opinions around here i must underscore one thing: good quality quests take time, as it has been said BUT that does not mean what is happening is acceptable.
Being drowned in a wave of bossing/PvM content and getting at best 1 quest every quarter IF WE ARE LUCKY is not enough. And "interwoven" lore such as drops books is just not enough. One quest coming out ? OK but let me remind You all that announced at last live runefest along with arch Azzy quest line has been ditched DAYS after it's announcement. That is simply unfair to the lore community of runescape. Therefore i implore JAGEX: PLEASE dial back on PvM rhetoric a bit and make room for a stream of quest content REGULARLY

29-Jun-2020 13:07:26

Dilbert2001
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Marcin K said :
although I see many different opinions around here i must underscore one thing: good quality quests take time, as it has been said BUT that does not mean what is happening is acceptable.
Being drowned in a wave of bossing/PvM content and getting at best 1 quest every quarter IF WE ARE LUCKY is not enough. And "interwoven" lore such as drops books is just not enough. One quest coming out ? OK but let me remind You all that announced at last live runefest along with arch Azzy quest line has been ditched DAYS after it's announcement. That is simply unfair to the lore community of runescape. Therefore i implore JAGEX: PLEASE dial back on PvM rhetoric a bit and make room for a stream of quest content REGULARLY

I don't see how RS3 is "drowned in a wave of bossing/PvM". Note that there hasn't been a new boss in over a year, and major PvM content has been limited to just War's Retreat and the Elite T92 Reworks today. Most of the recent updates have been PvE content, although not necessarily quests.

As OP brought up Mod Raven's comments on quests (Page 35 of this thread), quests are still coming. Nobody said anything about "ditched". They just may not come in the same name or the design may be a different than originally planned.

I love lore and am certainly enjoying all the newly added extra lore based content like Mysteriies, miniquests and NPC dialogues from events, etc, on top of the quests. As long as Jagex still give me like 3 or 4 normal quests a year, I am more than happy since all those newly added ways to deliver lore to RS3 are just bonus lore on top of the regular 3-4 quests in recent years of Jagex's games.

29-Jun-2020 17:18:21

Hunteresque
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Hunteresque

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Marcin K said :
although I see many different opinions around here i must underscore one thing: good quality quests take time, as it has been said BUT that does not mean what is happening is acceptable.
Being drowned in a wave of bossing/PvM content and getting at best 1 quest every quarter IF WE ARE LUCKY is not enough. And "interwoven" lore such as drops books is just not enough. One quest coming out ? OK but let me remind You all that announced at last live runefest along with arch Azzy quest line has been ditched DAYS after it's announcement. That is simply unfair to the lore community of runescape. Therefore i implore JAGEX: PLEASE dial back on PvM rhetoric a bit and make room for a stream of quest content REGULARLY

I agree with your statement: "good quality quests take time, as it has been said BUT that does not mean what is happening is acceptable." As much as I don't want to flame Jagex for the lack of new quests, it sadly has been an unanswered issue for quite a long period of time. Mod Raven gave us some well-needed insight, yes, but that was because I asked for the information, Jagex didn't address the issue before this.

In regard to the quests announced at Runefest, I have no idea if they have been cancelled but I certainly hope they haven't been. Hunteresque - The Picturesque Hunter
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29-Jun-2020 22:40:43

Hunteresque
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Hunteresque

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Dilbert2001 said :
Marcin K said :
although I see many different opinions around here i must underscore one thing: good quality quests take time, as it has been said BUT that does not mean what is happening is acceptable.
Being drowned in a wave of bossing/PvM content and getting at best 1 quest every quarter IF WE ARE LUCKY is not enough. And "interwoven" lore such as drops books is just not enough. One quest coming out ? OK but let me remind You all that announced at last live runefest along with arch Azzy quest line has been ditched DAYS after it's announcement. That is simply unfair to the lore community of runescape. Therefore i implore JAGEX: PLEASE dial back on PvM rhetoric a bit and make room for a stream of quest content REGULARLY

I don't see how RS3 is "drowned in a wave of bossing/PvM". Note that there hasn't been a new boss in over a year, and major PvM content has been limited to just War's Retreat and the Elite T92 Reworks today. Most of the recent updates have been PvE content, although not necessarily quests.

As OP brought up Mod Raven's comments on quests (Page 35 of this thread), quests are still coming. Nobody said anything about "ditched". They just may not come in the same name or the design may be a different than originally planned.

Since 29th June 2019:

War's Retreat (Big PvM expansion) + Elite T92 Reworks (Small PvM expansion) + Shattered Worlds Rework (Medium PvM expansion) + Slayer Collection Log (Big PvM expansion) + Solak Scaling (Small PvM expansion) - All in the past year.

Quests: Once Upon A Slime (Short Novice Quest) + ????

I know you will say: Yes, but Archaeology and Mysteries and miniquests etc... But I am talking about comparing only quest releases with PvM content in this case.

I know quests are coming and I am not disputing that, but you can't dismiss what Marcin K has said when it has at least some truth to it. Hunteresque - The Picturesque Hunter
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29-Jun-2020 22:52:36

Dilbert2001
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@Hunteresque

I clearly wrote
"Most of the recent updates have been PvE content,
although not necessarily quests
."


I don't know why you think I think there are a lot of quests. Regarding my opinions n Mysteries, miniquests and such, I have already addressed them on Page 36 already.

I was comparing bossing and PvM content to other non-quest content Like PvE (M&S, Farming and Herblore reworks, etc) with Marcin K. You may count Shattered Worlds as a decent PvM update, however, the other content like Slayer Collection log and Solak tweaking are just tweaking to existing content, hardly any new systematic PvM updates. Anyway, good that you think they are big PvM UPDATES, although certain people always call them "patches".

Regarding the future of quests, you absolutely didn't have to ask Mod Raven at all, because the RS3 teams have already given what Mod Raven told us in many livestream such as this one:

"New Content
New Quest
| Activity Pets | Unrevealed Content

There's a focus on everything,
quests
, skilling, and combat."


https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/ge3y7c/tldw_482_runescape_spring_update/

We, or at least I, knew well ahead of what Mod Raven said because I either watched the Livestreams or read their transcripts from social networks.

30-Jun-2020 00:35:15 - Last edited on 30-Jun-2020 00:46:54 by Dilbert2001

Hunteresque
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@Dilbert2001

You say "I don't know why you think I think there are a lot of quests." My answer would be because you have spent most, if not all of your time in this thread making excuses for Jagex and providing reasons why there shouldn't be more quests produced. Post after post you've made in this thread tries to prove everybody wrong about the lack of quest content.

Pg8 of this thread - 23rd March 2018 you said: "It is hard for the newer staff members to read through 18 years of Gielinor stories so I don't think anybody should expect future quests have a lot of lore factored in them :) ."

Pg10 of this thread - 16th September 2018 you said:"You better believe it won't be 6-9 quests per year going forward in any Jagex game. ;) "

Pg13 of this thread - 16th September 2018 you said :"They [Jagex] never have enough profits... a Shilling saved is a Shilling earned. :D "

Pg24 of this thread - 3rd March 2019 you said: "They never said 4 quests in 2019. There will be an Easter Quest this year. So at least 3 quests before the end of April already. You better believe there are going to be more than 1 quest in the remaining 8 months of the year."

In this case, you were assuming Jagex would release more quests for the year and they released 3. There wasn't more than one quest released within those 8 months.

Pg30 of this thread - 29th April 2019 you said: "We don't need drawn out, useless or outdated quests like the finale of the "gnome quest" since gnomes don't figure in any remotely important Gielinor events for over a decade."

Need I go on?

In regard to the link you have posted, I did not see this posted on the RS3 site under the News section and this would be why I haven't seen it before you shared it. I understand that there is a new quest here but we are in the middle of the year and have 1 short novice quest.

Finally, I asked Mod Raven because I was interested and concerned about the lac Hunteresque - The Picturesque Hunter
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30-Jun-2020 23:32:07 - Last edited on 30-Jun-2020 23:41:47 by Hunteresque

Dilbert2001
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@Hunteresque

I have been and still am expecting more than 3 but less than 6-9 quests a year. Nothing has changed in my expectation. If you think it has changed, you are totally barking up the wrong tree.

Updates Jagex is planning or developing for the future but not released are of course not under "news" subcategory. In all these 20 years, we looked for this information of future updates in development blogs, BTS, and livestreams. Nothing different about the Spring Updates including the quest. However the Spring Update recap post is clearly in the main NEWS sesssion. It is totally your problem if you don't realize it.

I never said there is any problem asking questions, but Mod Raven has already replied and I also pointed you to the information other Jmods have revealed way before Mod Raven did. We know there will still be quests coming this year, unlike what you thought, but we also know there won't be a lot of them like 9 a year. Your question is answered. What else do you want to know?

I see no problems helping users to locate obvious information released by Jagex already that they have missed. Do you?

01-Jul-2020 02:45:22 - Last edited on 01-Jul-2020 03:02:06 by Dilbert2001

Hunteresque
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Hunteresque

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Dilbert2001 said :
@Hunteresque

I see no problems helping users to locate obvious information released by Jagex already that they have missed. Do you?

I wasn't saying that your expectation of the amount of quest releases has changed. I am saying that from your posts (that I gathered in my last post), you are very negative towards the release of new quest content and I was replying to your statement: "I don't know why you think I think there are a lot of quests." to which you haven't really given me a substantial response to in your latest post.

Oh, I missed 1 post that would have told me about 1 future quest release that I already knew about because of Runefest 2019. What you are saying isn't really relevant to my point. I have always been a big advocate for more quests in RuneScape so trying to score points by sharing a Jagex post that says we are getting 1 new quest doesn't really add anything substantial to the mix. There is still a lack of quest content within RS3. The link you have provided could almost be used by me to argue the point that there IS a lack of quest content because only 1 quest release is stated in that post .

I know that there are more quests coming this year that we were told about during Runefest 2019 and I'm excited for that.

You say "What else do you want to know?" I would like other peoples' opinion on this topic, hence why I revive this thread every so often to get a general feel of what people are thinking at this time and every time I do, you manage to disagree with me on something.

In regard to your final statement, you insinuated that there was a problem with me asking Mod Raven about quest content " you absolutely didn't have to ask Mod Raven at all " in your earlier post. So, I asked you a question regarding whether you thought there was a problem with that. You can share information about RuneScape as much as you want. I don't have a problem with it. Hunteresque - The Picturesque Hunter
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01-Jul-2020 12:24:53

Hunteresque
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Hunteresque

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Edit: I wasn't saying that your expectation of the amount of quest releases has changed. I am saying that from your posts (that I gathered in my last post), you are very negative towards the release of new quest content and I was replying to your statement: "I don't know why you think I think there are a lot of quests." to which you haven't really given me a substantial response to in your latest post. As in, you haven't addressed your obvious negativity towards quest releases in this thread that I posted earlier on. Hunteresque - The Picturesque Hunter
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01-Jul-2020 12:28:17

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