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Hunteresque
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Terra Vitae said :
I can't disagree with what Mod Raven had to say from a business standpoint, but it really sucks to hear for someone who is pretty much exclusively here for quests and story. Adding more bosses won't keep me around, because I don't boss. Lore journals, likewise, because they... tend to come from bosses or ludicrous amounts of combat (Ripper Demon journals, anyone? No thanks). Dungeons? That's just bossing with extra steps.

I guess I just have to accept that this isn't a game for me anymore and I'm never gonna get closure on the remaining plot threads I was invested in because BossScape is what keeps the people playing.


I absolutely understand your position here. I do boss, but not very often compared to other parts of RuneScape, mainly because I am not very good at it but also because I find it is repetitive. I prefer questing, story and achievements.

To give a little background, I got my Quest Cape back in 2015 and I have been going for the Master Quest Cape since then. I must be brutally honest and say that my hunt for the Quest Cape was much more engaging and interesting than the hunt for the Master Quest Cape has been so far. Let me explain.

I have learnt loads more about the lore of RuneScape by going for the Master Quest Cape so the statement I made above is not due to the lore that I have discovered. The lore that I have discovered from lorebooks etc has been very intriguing and interesting but the overall EXPERIENCE of storytelling was much more present during my hunt for the Quest Cape than it has been for the time that I have been going for my Master Quest Cape.

It is a shame that you don't enjoy lorebooks at all but I believe that I have understood why. I refer back to my post above: "The experience of questing to discover a story is much more engaging than reading a lorebook about it." Hunteresque - The Picturesque Hunter
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29-Jun-2020 00:56:56

Hunteresque
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Miu said :
"we have lore in raids and archaeology so we don't need to make as many quests"

uhh??

Daemonheim has a treasure's trove of lore within its halls, it weaves the lore into both its gameplay and its dozens of bosses. We didn't have a quest drought when it was released, either.


I understand what you're saying Miu. Nice to hear from you again. I was wondering what your opinion is on Mod Raven's statement? Hunteresque - The Picturesque Hunter
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29-Jun-2020 01:00:27

Dilbert2001
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Terra Vitae said :
I can't disagree with what Mod Raven had to say from a business standpoint, but it really sucks to hear for someone who is pretty much exclusively here for quests and story. Adding more bosses won't keep me around, because I don't boss. Lore journals, likewise, because they... tend to come from bosses or ludicrous amounts of combat (Ripper Demon journals, anyone? No thanks). Dungeons? That's just bossing with extra steps.

I guess I just have to accept that this isn't a game for me anymore and I'm never gonna get closure on the remaining plot threads I was invested in because BossScape is what keeps the people playing.

You don't need to kill the bosses to get the lore drop unless you are going for achievements or MQC and such. You can read the lore from a lot of sites, of course, including Jagex's official Wiki.

29-Jun-2020 01:46:33

Dilbert2001
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Miu said :
"we have lore in raids and archaeology so we don't need to make as many quests"

uhh??

Daemonheim has a treasure's trove of lore within its halls, it weaves the lore into both its gameplay and its dozens of bosses. We didn't have a quest drought when it was released, either.

When RS3 had more quests, they didn't have lore based content like Mysteries, miniquests, live lore based events like Till Death Do Them Apart, MQC, etc. There is more lore now than ever. They just present it in different ways.

29-Jun-2020 01:50:52

Dilbert2001
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Hunteresque said :

Fair enough on your point about the comparison of recent quests. In regard to recent quests, I don't have too much to say besides there has been quite clearly a lack of them.

I know you are a big advocate of telling story in different ways other than quests and I understand your reasoning behind this, in that it is a cheaper option for Jagex. I agree that story is necessary in any way possible but I disagree that telling a story in a lorebook is the equivalent of telling a story in a quest. The experience is fundamentally different and questing to discover a story is much more engaging than reading a lorebook about it.

Generally speaking, I find that a visual of what is happening (i.e: cutscenes, meeting with lots of NPCs in one area during a quest etc.) is a lot more engaging than finding a book

If you intentionally not going to do the most exciting quests and just pick the less intense ones and compare them with quests 8 years ago, of course it is not really a fair comparison you are making. I strongly suggest you to do Cures of the Black Stone, Desperate Times and such before you try to compare the more recent quests. Besides, if you don't do these quests intentionally, you are just artificially giving yourself an excuse not to do Desperate Measures and new ED/GWD quests and just declare all quests are bad now.

Most online games with rich story telling elements don't have Runescape kind of quests. For instance, Capcom is well known to have all kinds of great stories in their games but their "quests" are just short missions. Evidently, players love them because they also have many many ways to tell their stories without a proper RS style quest. They even made movies with original stories from their games too. It can be the same thing with Jagex's games.

29-Jun-2020 02:02:19

Hunteresque
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Dilbert2001 said :
Miu said :
"we have lore in raids and archaeology so we don't need to make as many quests"

uhh??

Daemonheim has a treasure's trove of lore within its halls, it weaves the lore into both its gameplay and its dozens of bosses. We didn't have a quest drought when it was released, either.

When RS3 had more quests, they didn't have lore based content like Mysteries, miniquests, live lore based events like Till Death Do Them Apart, MQC, etc. There is more lore now than ever. They just present it in different ways.


I must point out here that RuneScape has always had miniquests and lorebooks. No, not the mysteries, but miniquests and lorebooks have always been present in the game. Hunteresque - The Picturesque Hunter
Master Quest Cape Owner - 20/05/2021

29-Jun-2020 02:04:39

Dilbert2001
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Hunteresque said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Miu said :
"we have lore in raids and archaeology so we don't need to make as many quests"

uhh??

Daemonheim has a treasure's trove of lore within its halls, it weaves the lore into both its gameplay and its dozens of bosses. We didn't have a quest drought when it was released, either.

When RS3 had more quests, they didn't have lore based content like Mysteries, miniquests, live lore based events like Till Death Do Them Apart, MQC, etc. There is more lore now than ever. They just present it in different ways.


I must point out here that RuneScape has always had miniquests and lorebooks. No, not the mysteries, but miniquests and lorebooks have always been present in the game.

There were few of them in the past... for instance The Goblin Book lasted years before we met Bandos. Now, there are plenty of them, and don't forget the NPC dialogues and lore from live events now.

29-Jun-2020 02:11:18

Hunteresque
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Dilbert2001 said :
Hunteresque said :

Fair enough on your point about the comparison of recent quests. In regard to recent quests, I don't have too much to say besides there has been quite clearly a lack of them.


If you intentionally not going to do the most exciting quests and just pick the less intense ones and compare them with quests 8 years ago, of course it is not really a fair comparison you are making. I strongly suggest you to do Cures of the Black Stone, Desperate Times and such before you try to compare the more recent quests. Besides, if you don't do these quests intentionally, you are just artificially giving yourself an excuse not to do Desperate Measures and new ED/GWD quests and just declare all quests are bad now.


Of course I will get around to doing the more exciting quests that you mention. I have done all but 5 quests/miniquests/sagas in the entire game so I have done most of the exciting quests. This makes me unsure on why you are telling me that I'm "intentionally not doing the more exciting quests" so that I can declare the new quests bad. I have mentioned before that the pure reason why I am not rushing through new quests, is because I don't want to be in that position where I have 0 quests to do again when I'm in a particularly quest-hungry mood, because so few are coming out these days. That is my stance and I don't see a problem with that.

I never declared that all quests that were released now are bad. Please do not put non-existent words into my posts. Hunteresque - The Picturesque Hunter
Master Quest Cape Owner - 20/05/2021

29-Jun-2020 02:12:09 - Last edited on 29-Jun-2020 02:13:53 by Hunteresque

Dilbert2001
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Hunteresque said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Hunteresque said :

Fair enough on your point about the comparison of recent quests. In regard to recent quests, I don't have too much to say besides there has been quite clearly a lack of them.


If you intentionally not going to do the most exciting quests and just pick the less intense ones and compare them with quests 8 years ago, of course it is not really a fair comparison you are making. I strongly suggest you to do Cures of the Black Stone, Desperate Times and such before you try to compare the more recent quests. Besides, if you don't do these quests intentionally, you are just artificially giving yourself an excuse not to do Desperate Measures and new ED/GWD quests and just declare all quests are bad now.


Of course I will get around to doing the more exciting quests that you mention. I have done all but 5 quests/miniquests/sagas in the entire game so I have done most of the exciting quests. This makes me unsure on why you are telling me that I'm "intentionally not doing the more exciting quests" so that I can declare the new quests bad. I have mentioned before that the pure reason why I am not rushing through new quests, is because I don't want to be in that position where I have 0 quests to do again when I'm in a particularly quest-hungry mood, because so few are coming out these days. That is my stance and I don't see a problem with that.

I never declared that all quests that were released now are bad. Please do not put non-existent words into my posts.

You won't have 0 quests to do soon as Desperate Measures is coming out. They will talk about it in the next livestream. I don't doubt it is recommended to do Desperate Times before Desperate Measures.

29-Jun-2020 02:21:47

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