RuneScape Forum Archive | Minigames Rework or Removal

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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H 1 L D A said :
It wasn't okay, but we're talking about a minigame always being behind an additional paywall versus forcing the more frugal among us to wait two weeks to play the same content others may be perfectly fine paying up for.

All of this is not to mention that you didn't even read ShallPrevail's point properly. He mentioned that he believes he's seen calls for minigames to be fixed or added match the fervor that calls to stop MTX have. You apparently read it as if ShallPrevail was combining the two complaints.

Even so, my point holds. The only person concerned with getting to play Soul Wars two weeks earlier with a Twitch Gaming subscription is you, because once again the Old School community made a big enough fuss to limit that incident to one time, even though nobody in the end was even being paywalled from content in the first place.

Almost 70% of OSRS said it wasn't OK to have Partnership MTX but Jagex still did it, so?

Why didn't OSRS fix their minigames instead of adding MTX there was great, and we can't have MTX in RS3?

I am the only person "complaining" about Partnership MTX? The hell no. I didn't even vote. Almost 70% of the OSRS players voted against Partnership MTX in OSRS, and I wasn't even one of them. Fact.

02-Jun-2023 22:38:48

Apr

2020

H 1 L D A

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....and they did it ONE time for a minigame that was going to be made available for EVERYONE two weeks later and they never did it again because of far more timelier complaints than yours.

TODAY, yes, you are the only one bringing it up as if it provides any valid defense for MTX at all. If anything, Old Schoolers voting nearly unanimously against it beforehand and complaining about it THEN defeats the whole idea that players in that community "like" MTX.

The reason we have MTX in RS3 is because RS3's playerbase is accustomed to getting fleeced and taken advantage of, many of them partake willingly, and Jagex is made aware that resistance is less noticeable. And I've gotta tell ya. MTX is still very routinely lamented in spite of that fact.

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Old School hasn't had a need to fix their minigames in even remotely the same scope RS3 has.

1. Rewards such as the Fighter Torso and Void gear still hold considerable value, so things like BA and PC have considerable activity via necessity, and on top of that, those minigames have area achievements tied to them.

2. PvP is in a much healthier place, which enables things like Bounty Hunter (newly released!) and Last Man Standing to fulfill that itch to partake in PvP.

3. Other minigames offer skilling outfits and the like, the same as Rs3 does.

Those points don't necessarily mean minigames are -all- packed with players and that even those they do get played are without need of fixing. However, PvP is largely ignored in Rs3 due to how it is, and the gear system has made the rewards for the above irrelevant.

That's not to mention that there is no need for players to make new accounts routinely, or that less players play Rs3 on average.

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02-Jun-2023 23:36:07

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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When Jagex need MTX, they will put MTX in their games, regardless it is RS3 and OSRS, regardless it is today, yesterday or tomorrow. That's the point.

Minigames like BH is 'healthy"? Why did OSRS remove it citing bots and real world trading? I don't know bots and RMT are "healthy". Shrug!

We can still get Fighter Torso in RS3. It is even easier to get in RS3. It only costs 150 Thaler. We can even get it totally AFK in RS3. Shrug!

So OSRS is copying RS3's Skilling Outfits rewards to minigame update, good for them. TYVM for showing us even OSRS embraes RS3's RS3 reward updates.

03-Jun-2023 01:27:10

May

2023

ShallPrevail

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Dilbert2001 said :
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RS3 Jmods are talking about getting feedbacks from the entire RS3 community, not just from a few beta testers or content creators. Don't you realize they have been sending out lots of surveys to everybody lately, regarding all kinds of future content including FSW, events/minigames, ninja-sized projects etc? The even clearer note is when some content creators told the RS3 team they liked to see pvp content in Necromany, the team's response is they have plans but it is up to the COMMUNITY to tell them if they want pvp content. Clearly, the team's response to the few content creators is yes, good idea and we have plans, but we want to listen from the entire RS3 community to determine if we want to implement them.

Minigames in RS3 have never been MTX-centric anyway. While in OSRS, they ignored the consent of the entire community who vehemently voted against MTX based Partnership, and put up Twitch Gaming sponsored Soul Wars, this kind of MTX sellouts against the will of the RS3 community doesn't happen in post-eoc RS3.

Once again I whole heartily disagree, as much as they may take in input in a regular way I do believe they do it with a blind eye in regards to situational circumstances and most certainly use favoritism in a large way. The low volume of players on RS3 most certainly help them do this.

On top of that RS3 has done some very large updates the past 2 years that were not player requested and these updates tore PVP out of the game, this in itself shows the mind set of what Jagex thinks of PVP from their own actions. Zero care at all.

Yes PVP wasn't a large thing in RS3 but Jagex never tried to make it a success without some ridiculous paywall privileges like Darkscape, but yet they happily remove it almost entirely for free from the main game. facepalm

If player input was actually taken seriously from over the years, we would absolutely have 1 updated minigame that supports PVP for RS3, but we don't

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03-Jun-2023 09:12:13 - Last edited on 03-Jun-2023 09:21:44 by ShallPrevail

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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RS3 doesn't do everything every player asks for. They can't do that and they don't want to do that because there are too many different players with different opinions. They do run surveys and polls and is running far more the past couple of months.

Favoritism? They certainly aren't favoring anybody. Look at the amount of skilling and D&D/Player owned content please. They even give us a purely skilling option to level their 4th ever Combat Style in the new Necromancy Skill. Those things aren't what the smaller group of players/content creators they interact with more often ask for, but yet RS3 is still doing it to make more players happy.

Darkscape was a standalone game. It had nothing to do with RS3 at all. Whatever "paywall" in Darkscape had nothing to do with RS3 at all.

Please read my plenty of posts all over this thread, there are new and still quite popular pvp minigames since EOC like Warbands and Sinkholes. What pvp minigame did OSRS add? Almost nothing other than recovering integrity breaking BH.

Please also bear in mind the RS3 team just said earlier this week there will be new pvp content in Necromancy if the community wants it. They probably will send out surveys after the launch of Necromancy. What did the OSRS team tell us about future pvp content? Nothing. They are even promoting BH they just recycled from the trash bin as "The Biggest PvP" content in OSRS.

03-Jun-2023 17:15:48

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2020

H 1 L D A

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Oh, they're gonna run another survey first?

Yeah, that PvP minigame isn't coming at all.

We're at the point where Jagex needs to decide for itself that they want to revitalize PvP. If they leave it in our hands it will not happen. If PvP had the popularity to perform well in a survey, it wouldn't be as sparsely active as it is. In Old School, they can get away with polling something about PvP content because there's an established PvP community there that gets updates with some regularity, not just in balancing but also in fresh content and facelifts to existing content that reignite interest.

In Rs3, you've got people like those in the Necro PvP thread that try to shut down any PvP -discussion- (let alone the idea of bringing up using actual dev time) because they believe it's totally dead.

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Now, ShallPrevail, the only thing you can really tag Jagex for is the removal of the Duel Arena, with regards to "removing PvP content." Old School did the same, and it was an integrity change both games desperately needed.

If you're referring to the Wilderness Reborn, I -hate- a large portion of this update, but it isn't because PvPers actually lost content. Jagex was very careful to ensure PvPers could still attack other players if opted-in, and any activities that were designed around Hunter-vs-Prey concepts retained that need to opt-in in order to use them.

Now, the no-threat-at-all stuff because the threat system was a flop? Absolutely a problem. I think it should be reverted to PvP being enabled by default over having no threat whatsoever, because the Wilderness resources - all of them - were meant to be rewarding enough to encourage players to take risks.

The best thing to make the Wilderness more active, in my opinion, is to increase quantity and quality of life in accessing the content. Not introduce -new- content. We want risk takers, not prisoners in the Wilderness.

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04-Jun-2023 09:01:47 - Last edited on 04-Jun-2023 09:04:12 by H 1 L D A

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We all seem to be going in circles.

So can I just make a proposal: just list out your proposed suggestions for what Jagex should do.

Not just a "fix pvp", but more like the details of the concept.

This is the RS3 forums, not OSRS. They are different games with different player bases.
Darkscape was 7 years ago.

04-Jun-2023 15:30:24

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Deltaslug said :
just list out your proposed suggestions for what Jagex should do.

That's what RS3 has been asking us the past few months or so. They have a solid plan and clear direction for the game for the next 20 years. They have been building concrete foundations and prototyping building blocks for well over 1.5 years. Those are foundations of the modern 2023 Runescape. They aren't going to be changed.

Now, what kinds of content we build on top of these fixture foundations are up to what the entire RS3 community (meaning existing and returning RS3 players, players from other OSRS games mvoing over, and perhaps even more importantly new players outside the Runescape community and even outside the game industry joining RS3 en masse later). I believe there are going to be more surveys later.

04-Jun-2023 18:10:39

May

2023

ShallPrevail

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Deltaslug said :
We all seem to be going in circles.

So can I just make a proposal: just list out your proposed suggestions for what Jagex should do.

Not just a "fix pvp", but more like the details of the concept.

This is the RS3 forums, not OSRS. They are different games with different player bases.
Darkscape was 7 years ago.

I agree, some people just don't like how other people don't appreciate the ignorance Jagex has shunned upon the RuneScape community and will do anything to try to put a spotlight on every pro, even pro's that aren't pro's in Jagex's direction........

Player feedback for community minigames has been and still is LARGE from the community, even compared to other content pieces that have been implemented or are in current talks to be put into the game. This is the definition of disgraceful and Jagex should be ashamed of themselves, not because they haven't done it but because it's how they face the community, by always asking for player feedback and putting blame upon the community for many things.

We can continue to try and wait for some future poll that is or isn't going to happen but people have waited 10 years for a successful community minigame, especially one incorporating PVP and for someone to tell them to just keep on waiting and that Jagex has done every right move, that someone is being completely ignorant.

I went back 5 years and actually found polls that were completely biased, separating many community minigames as different options and thus creating a large distortion between the community and making it seem like they wouldn't have the larger majority. Jagex would allow quests and PVM to have their own solo category, this in itself is absurd.

At this point a poll wouldn't even do justice, everyone that had their time wasted by Jagex is probably up and gone by now and the rest of the community doesn't think Jagex has the development team or $$ to invest in it.

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05-Jun-2023 06:33:30 - Last edited on 05-Jun-2023 06:47:24 by ShallPrevail

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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"Necromancy Team:

Mods Alec, Alex, Bak, Djinn, Dragon, Forza, Luma, Neil, Psmith, Rowley, Ryan, Skyefall, Sponge, Stacey, Timbo, Thom, Wing

Supported by:

Mods Ante, Azanna, Bam, Chvigil, Danger, Dark, Doom, Dorn, Drewid, Farof, Giragast, Grace, Grievous, Harker, Hing, Hooli, Hygiea, Jack, Kylema, LordGit, Moosley, Nelly, Nemo, Nixon, Noms, Paul B, Saj, Soul, Stead, Surma, SWatts, Titus, Trey, Tstanic, Who"

Just for a mere RS3 Necromancy skill, the team and investments are so "tiny". And they said it is only the beginning, as like Fort Forinthry, construction is ongoing and we are going to get all kinds of minigames, events and such in City of Um and other places.

The RS3 team always walk the walk in tandem of the direction with Jagex. They don't just talk and talk and talk with nothing but hot air.

05-Jun-2023 16:24:24

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