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We can still camp whatever minigame we want for whatever item. The Thaler shop gives us more choices. Why not?

Spotlight isn't about choice by design? Since when have you become a RS3 game designer?

We may all have our own opinions and preferences of certain content, but please keep in mind the actual game designers and developers decide what are good for the community as a whole.

27-May-2023 00:39:14

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And that's why threads like this one exist, and various people post on Reddit and other social media, and other games allow players, you know, the consumers who ultimately have a hand in ensuring those developers get paid, have a more involved hand in the development process for the game they are choosing to invest their own money into. The developers are the ones who determine quite a lot. If content withers and dies. If it regularly receives the TLC it needs to continue fostering a community. That's the kind of power the dev team wields, and it shouldn't be one that is taken lightly, lest you want to make critical missteps that result in a loss of revenue as well as good will.

If I spend money on this game, and I feel like I would feel better about my investment if Jagex heard my voice, and my voice matches that of some other people's - then my petition would be one of the greatest respects I could pay the developers - as an acknowledgement of the power they possess.

"Keep in mind that Jagex makes the ultimate decision on what's good for the game" is exactly how the community got to where it is on our side of the fence. People who have ideas get shouted down by sycophants who either are a part of a particularly well fed portion of the community (I don't see too many PvMers complaining, nor should they.) - or who have no backbone and are just resigned to having the occasional May where the only content update we see is a graphical rework of Karamja.

I don't need to be a game dev to understand what the word "spotlight" means as a verb. The light is shining on a specific minigame. And this is the only one for the day that will give you Thalers. There's no choice there. You either play the spotlighted minigame, or you're out of luck and you need to wait for the rotation to get to the game you want to play.

In the mean time, you go to Fist of Guthix and sit there alone in the lobby and the game never starts because you're the only one! Some "choice."
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27-May-2023 01:02:02

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Jack and the other Jagex employees told us about the different kinds of minigames. They told us flash events and D&D are good because they have the data supporting their decisions.

If you want to play Fist of Guthix outside the spotlight, you can make your own group. Their data doesn't show players interested in old minigames so Jagex, not just RS3, spend their development time on new ones.

27-May-2023 01:22:30

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And now, we're defaulting to this almighty "data" that they don't publish but make claims about as if that's going to quiet any people who are upset about how certain content has fallen by the wayside. Again. For the umpteenth time, I. Don't. Care. What. these survey-participants. Want. I want the damn game to be playable from as many angles as possible. Why is it a good thing to have various pieces of dead content for new players to wander to and go "...wow, this thing has nobody interacting with it." in so many different areas of the game? The title of this thread is pretty good in solving this problem in one of two ways. Either fix the games - or remove them!

The content was not designed to be hard carried by the community, and because it's one of the many minigames that are maligned by the EoC not being a very enjoyable combat system to work with in regards to PvP in the first place, I wouldn't want to start a group just to torment others. When content isn't enjoyable, it shouldn't fall on the playerbase to make it so. I saw a post about people "rejecting modernity, and playing Fist of Guthix" - so other souls are probably much braver than I, and there must be some demand outside of just me for genuine change.

If they want to formally release in document format their findings, I would be much more inclined to look at the results and regard them as more valid than the ramblings of a singular content developer who's known to stir the pot lately.
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27-May-2023 01:46:52

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RS3 said they want to do a data stream later this year, when they are allowed to. I don't think OSRS will do one although they are doing all kinds of livestreams at least once a week.

We can all tell what minigames players are playing in the live game now, and the broadcast messages so and so are getting rare treasure trail items often.

27-May-2023 02:37:37

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It's not really pertinent for Old School to even do a data stream because EVERY piece of content that makes it into the game has some degree of player feedback taken into account - so in that regard, you may be right. If you get some kind of verification that Old School streams WEEKLY, and goes even further and actually uses their newspost weekly to show players that they are being heard and that their feedback matters - that would probably eliminate a need for such a specific stream about survey results.

I still don't particularly care what minigames everyone else is playing. I'm concerned about the health of the ones they aren't, have many happy memories of times when they were playing them, and want to see Jagex at least spit-ball or communicate on level terms what would make these minigames more desirable to play - as opposed to having a bunch of bootlickers cite data that isn't available and redirect me to successful content under the pretense that their own voice doesn't matter or that they have everything they could possibly want.
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27-May-2023 02:59:48

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OSRS did data streams long before RS3 did once. OSRS players needed and asked for them.

AFAIK RS3 want to do livestreams more often, if not weekly, they just aren't allowed to.

Minigames aren't played are ignored by choices of players. There are a lot of old content being ignored by players or simply died off like Runescape Classic. Why do Jagex want to make them more desirable to play and in reality nobody want to them? Why do a bunch of bootlickers who don't even cite OSRS data that isn't available and think a lot of people play them?

27-May-2023 03:30:04

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H 1 L D A said :
Dino. Dilbert.

Telling players “to just play the active D&D’s instead.” is not a solution for making longer mini games more active. The others here have conversed with the intention of putting mini games that need serious overhauls under Jagex’s attention. Even if it’s clearly not a majority that feel like it is necessary, some of people’s best RS memories are playing these mini games.

ShallPrevail.

Make a reward tradeable and less people play the game- especially if it’s not fun. Make it untradeable (or very rare, in the case of the Dark Onyx Core) and people play the minigame… begrudgingly. Especially so if the game isn’t focused on fun.

Bosses have been the source of the best gear since Barrows released. There’s also zero chance devaluing boss drops with equivalent reward equipment goes over well with PvMers - whom I would say are the largest subgroup of Rs3 players.

I’m not saying rewards are bad, but you need to design them so that they are desirable without holding players captive. That means the other aspects of the minigame are also critical.

Less people can play it and that's fine, it isn't a forceful matter and it never has. Minigames have always been a great thing for RuneScape, the only time it hasn't is when the entire game changed from RS2 to RS3 and minigames weren't properly updated with the next generation of RuneScape.

Yes, bosses have always been a source of the best gear but minigames were as well, so that point is very irrelevant to why minigames today don't deserve on par rewards compared to PVM. We went from torso's and full out void gear and more, to now only having lamps and other small items as a reward for community minigames...... EVEN THE FIGHT PITs was AMAZING, giving some very cool unique rewards.

From what I see, rewards have always been a part of almost every successful part of RuneScape and if they weren't, they had relevance to one in some way or another.
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27-May-2023 04:10:26

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E I E dInO said :
Jack and the other Jagex employees told us about the different kinds of minigames. They told us flash events and D&D are good because they have the data supporting their decisions.

If you want to play Fist of Guthix outside the spotlight, you can make your own group. Their data doesn't show players interested in old minigames so Jagex, not just RS3, spend their development time on new ones.

The data they use is only a reflection of how much money the company wants to spend on the game and what the company's goal is with RS3.

- Jagex 100% does not want to spend a lot of money

- Jagex wants to make profit fast and now.

- They will use the low player base #'s as the data for what is being played and supported currently in the game, neglecting all the potential players that could return, and players that are currently playing that could become more active, rather than just AFK for the rest of their life's.
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27-May-2023 04:15:08 - Last edited on 27-May-2023 04:15:38 by ShallPrevail

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I'm not going to hyperlink anything, but I can tell you where to look for player count if you'd like. Misplaceditems has a running line graph that tracks the populations of both games. There's your data. You can even tell it's not biased toward OSRS because there is a significant dip that was probably downtime for the game or the tracker blipped - while Rs3 remained steady but far below OS' numbers....

Often, minigames aren't played because aspects of them are broken and are made unenjoyable because the content needs specific work to be done. The games being broken or cumbersome is a pretty good reason why people would play them to begin with. Other times, its just been lost to time, and Jagex wouldn't even need to make too much of a fix - maybe just graphically update the place if necessary, and do something unique like make certain minigames competitive through limited time events or have seasonal hi-scores.

If you're Jagex, having your older minigames get new licks of paint and a refresh could be beneficial in recouping lapsed players who preferred to play minigames over kill bosses all day. Growing your game is a pretty good reason to try something yeah? I don't see how that is hard to see.
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