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H 1 L D A
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Exactly, Init Yeah likes seeing buffs OUTSIDE of a battle pass system. More News at 6. Init Yeah's other videos suggest that he's not all that thrilled with Hero Pass at all. This video isn't even about it, but correcting a narrative his comment section was attributing to him.

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Yeah, and if you're leaning on Init Yeah (who literally titled his video Hero Pass Bad...PvM Event Good), and Protoxx (who has made a handful of videos criticizing Hero Pass and titled his video "Does Jagex FINALLY get it?) as paragons of players "LIKING" Hero Pass, I don't see the need to back down here.

These are wonderful examples of players "tolerating" content at best, and using their platform to thumbs down the update at most.

You wanna talk RuneTubers? Part of the reason top-player Maikeru is taking a hiatus from RuneScape 3 is because of Hero Pass.

Waydots is seemingly continuing his on-again, off-again relationship with RS3 with negative views on Hero Pass.

Chevalric has videos that lambast the update, as does Kathaar (the Desert-Only RS3 Ironman)

Generally, in the YouTube space, the community has been very negative in regards to this update. Yes, some of them may be okay with a compromise solution, others may just want the situation to be not-pay-to-win and are just ready to move on, but nobody.

Nobody.

Is happy with it.
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27-Sep-2023 18:17:26 - Last edited on 27-Sep-2023 18:17:59 by H 1 L D A

Dilbert2001
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What "more news at 6"? Init Yeah previous comments on Hero Pass were before the latest official RS3 blog and call for Community Consulation.

Maikeru didn't comment on Hero Pass and didn't release any content onthat. Neither did Waydots and Chevalric. Can you please show us the videos you claimed they made?

I don't know who is Kathaar and I doubt many players know someone with a 1k-ish Youtube subs anyway. His last video made on Hero Pass was 2 weeks ago, way before the latest Jagex blog. Please make sure you check the timestamps of the videos you claimed.

We have all the information, numbers and calculations from Protoxx already. It is just simple math. We only need to play an hour a day our way and complete all T120 Hero Pass. Simple as that.

27-Sep-2023 18:33:14

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Maikeru hasn't made content about Hero Pass...


Maikeru's video entitled "The Worst 'Major Update' in RuneScape 3 History"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEq1T5cLHKs&t=539s

A video entitled "Jagex Apologized. Our Voices Won."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRis6uD1pLw

And a video entitled "A New Chapter" in which Maikeru lists Hero Pass and specifically Jagex's propensity to IGNORE feedback when they ask for it as reasons why he is shifting to Old School RuneScape.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVb60-ZYLBY

...Waydots...


Waydots drops a Vlog of a stream where he's fishing in Menaphos, and explaining reasons why he's experiencing burnout, chiefly that "RuneScape 3 isn't doing well lately" - this is off the heels of a new skill, and while Necromancy is controversial among higher level players, it's not the part that "isn't doing well lately." Hero Pass is mentioned as a reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrF-jRXcMIc

...Chevalric...


"I was WRONG about Hero Pass..." - and there are other videos....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLkimeFfbHM

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While yes, all of those videos ARE from two weeks ago, you need to step back and take a look at what's happening here since those videos.

> Maikeru is switching games, and he's kinda been the biggest champion for RuneScape 3 for many years. He's dealing with a lot of personal distaste for the game at the moment. That's profound.

> Waydots is again suspending his main ironman content and running into other issues the RS3 early game has with his newer account.

> Chevalric has video titles that plunge into the negative "RuneScape is Boring (right now), and so on and so forth.

All of these content creators are feeling down on the game, and updates like Hero Pass are a significant catalyst right now.
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27-Sep-2023 20:08:44

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This is the backdrop that caused us to get Jagex to punt the pay-to-win, dramatically scale back the time needed to complete Hero Pass (as you keep mentioning), and start looking to open channels of communication that I can really only hope are genuine.

"Hero Pass 3.0:Mini" isn't going to suddenly make Hero Pass an update that players -like-, it's going to make Hero Pass, at best, an update that players forget exists and complete by accident. That's what happens when you remove the content buffs, scale down the hours required, and remove MTX.

You know what would get more attention? Jagex removing it entirely and apologizing for a second time, and then shifting community consultation to something a lot more players will care about, such as a much needed Combat rebalancing outside of Necromancy.
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27-Sep-2023 20:16:51

Dilbert2001
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"While yes, all of those videos ARE from two weeks ago, you need to step back and take a look at what's happening here since those videos."


Thank you for self admitting all these videoes are from two weeks ago (to be more precise some are from 4 weeks ago).

Let me remind you the latest and greatest update from Jagex on Hero Pass was this one from
5 days ago: 22 September 2023


https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/hero-pass-underworld---balancing-feedback-proposals#

Thank you for nullifying all your claims these players have anything negatives to say about the newest Hero Pass update 5 days ago. In fact, there was even another update 12 days ago (also after your linked videos) too:
15 September 2023


https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/hero-pass---player-feedback-update-3#

You are just being extremely disingenuous to ignore the better and better updates and communications that nobody from any of your linked vids have anything negatives to talk about.

27-Sep-2023 20:18:33 - Last edited on 27-Sep-2023 20:23:31 by Dilbert2001

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Well, that was a manner of speech, but here's a literal breaking news a 6:

The RS Guy is on the negative Nancy train too with a video entitled "People are leaving RS3." in which he is spending a lot of time promoting Old School RuneScape and addressing the other content creators I listed above (and some I didn't such as EvilLucario and Wazzy, paragons of this game's PvM scene.) - and this is your type of guy, Dilbert, a guy who is loyal to RS3 even when times are hard. The thing is, he's able to admit when times -are- hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clqDzz-Gjpc
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27-Sep-2023 20:30:16

Dilbert2001
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H 1 L D A said :
Well, that was a manner of speech, but here's a literal breaking news a 6:

The RS Guy is on the negative Nancy train too with a video entitled "People are leaving RS3." in which he is spending a lot of time promoting Old School RuneScape and addressing the other content creators I listed above (and some I didn't such as EvilLucario and Wazzy, paragons of this game's PvM scene.) - and this is your type of guy, Dilbert, a guy who is loyal to RS3 even when times are hard. The thing is, he's able to admit when times -are- hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clqDzz-Gjpc

Let's makes no mistakes, he was talking about
content creators
leaving RS3 for
other games
, not RS3 players leaving for OSRS.

At 00:48, he clearly told us it is a combination of a lot of things, not specifically Hero Pass. He then proceeded and said it is not a bad things for content creators to try out different games. I don't see where the "negative Nancy" you tried to protrait TheRSGuy as.

He then told us OSRS provided tools for content creators but they don't get them in RS3. He also point to the earning potentials. OSRS spend a lot of money to sponsor content creators but almost nothing in RS3.

Don't you see OSRS lost far more content creators and viewers than RS3? So what? They don't gave Hero Pass in OSRS, but OSRS content creators are leaving left and right to other games when they get even better earning potentials than OSRS.

27-Sep-2023 20:38:28 - Last edited on 27-Sep-2023 20:44:32 by Dilbert2001

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Wrong - and bait.

You're going to try and sit there and tell me that this whole situation, where a group of RS3's biggest content creators decide they are going to form an OSRS Group Ironman team day after a host of videos where they talk about feeling down on the game players are used to them playing, is merely coincidental and doesn't relate to the kind of vibe the game is giving off at the moment?

Of course you don't see it - you've never seen anything wrong with RuneScape 3 ever. That's why I'm highlighting these videos though, because everyone else should probably know that you're constantly in shill-mode while pretty much all of the game's content creators are in mass exodus.

I'm not going to call Necromancy a bad update - It's a great one that Jagex anticipated would have significant consequences in which the rest of the combat triangle would need to be altered to balance everything out, and we're seeing that play out in-game. Without those changes, you have the in-game stuff the players are experiencing.

Hero Pass is the last-straw update. The one that sucked all the positive energy out of the room for Necromancy's release and has left the community in the dumps since. Not to mention, its been the only official update of September and Jagex has had to be in damage-control mode.

Is content creators taking off and players leaving the game what you want, Dilbert?
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27-Sep-2023 20:44:47

Dilbert2001
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Wrong - and bait.

Why don't you honestly tell us OSRS lost far more content creators and viewers the past couple of months? As TheRSGuy told us clearly OSRS offered them more tools and money to go play that game, perhaps when their own content creators are getting paid more elsewhere. OSRS paid Makieru, EvilLucario, Parally etc to make a GIM series, not that all of them going over to OSRS suddenly at once. They gave the offer to TheRSGuy, but he turned it down.

Please don't deflect the topic to necromancy when this thread is clearly not about it. It just shows how short of words you are.

So the OSRS content creators are in mass exodus. The "big" RS3 content creators are just so tiny they can't do much to OSRS's viewership. So what? Why is it not a problem in OSRS but one in RS3? TheRSGuy also told us content creators going for more money in other games are very normal and he won't blame them. He said it happened a few years ago too.

Again, content creators are just a very very tiny percentage of the players of a game. So what if just a few content ccreators left and new ones come?

TheRSGuy clearly said he is positive (07:00) and he is not leaving, sorry to your failed attempt to paint him as a "negative Nancy". He said he is having fun, enjoying RS3 the same way that he has for the last 10 years.

27-Sep-2023 20:58:53 - Last edited on 27-Sep-2023 21:12:05 by Dilbert2001

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