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Dilbert2001
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^^
Again, what's your intention of keeping misleading us and trying so hard to deflect the ongoing process of Community Consultations and real time Hero Pass at this moment to 3 weeks ago?

Plenty of players like today's Hero Pass. Do you know all of them? How do you know what they like or don't?

03-Oct-2023 00:09:55

H 1 L D A
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I don't believe what I'm doing is meant to deflect the process of community consultation.

BOTH of us have encouraged players to fill out the survey, even though both of us clearly feel a different type of way about Hero Pass. The only difference is how both of us are trying to portray the update to others. I could ask you the same thing - if my thread is "so bad" why are you giving me all of the free bumps and voting on two different accounts over this survey? Why are you assuming that the sentiment over three months ago is just going to disappear and isn't relevant to how players feel about the update now?

The real time Hero Pass - at this moment just about the best it can be.
That doesn't make it good.
Personally, I have the following sources of feedback:

> My own experience with the update.

> The experiences of my circle of friends who also play the game.

> The experiences of other average players from platforms like Reddit, Facebook, the YouTube comment section, X, etc.

> The experiences of RS3 content creators/influencers.

You may have sources that support Hero Pass from all of the above groups - but if I were to wager which of us is in the majority, I have a pretty strong feeling it would be me.

..and if that's the case - then Jagex is wasting their time with this survey, because they're not at a point where we as a playerbase even want to engage with making Hero Pass better. Many of us still want it gone. Many of us want to see such a survey be a little broader on all sources of MTX as opposed to one former one that the company could very easily monetize again at a whim. Many of us would like to see "community consultation" on ACTUAL content updates instead of malarkey like this.

My intention is clear - it's the keep the community understanding that Jagex can and should be more honest and earnest with them when doing things like community consultation, and they are failing at it thus far.
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Roddy Piper
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I'm way behind, I won't be ready for the survey until I see more special missions and how that plays out. I just googled Battle Pass to see what that actually is. It's all familiar, nothing unusual there. Generally cosmetic based.

They were originally saying the bit from lvl 99+ was extra, optional. No way! That's all I would even want. Whatever it took, I was going to find a way to get there.

That's how it's supposed to work. That's a Battle Pass.

If hero pass isn't going to be a Battle Pass, then they should really want to rename it. Maybe the Participation Trophy Admittance.

03-Oct-2023 01:07:18

Dilbert2001
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@H 1 L D A

I am not giving you free bumps. I am correcting the misinformation you keep putting up. There are no MTX skip and Content Buffs in Hero Pass now. Jagex has given us all the opportunities to voice our opinions with the Survey. There are absolutely no mention of MTX in the Survey. We are getting very fast Hero Points now.

You have yet to show us anybody else agreed with you because all you kept repeating were the comments from the same content creators over 3 weeks ago. Among them, I have also showed you the likes of Protoxx and Init_Yeah clearly had a change of hearts on the up to the minute Hero Pass. Talk is cheap, you can say you have he God to support you but what we real players need to see are the comments now, not 3 weeks ago.

03-Oct-2023 01:44:32

H 1 L D A
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I'm not the one others in this thread (Mixed Slush, Roddy, etc.) have been correcting - but sure, Dilbert, I'm the liar. ;)

You have yet to show me there's actually a change of heart on Init_Yeah and Protoxx' part. You can keep begging for supposed evidence all you want, but at least do your part! Otherwise, yes, you are giving me free bumps. ;)

> Protoxx' video today is his usual weekly update video that glossed over everything that came out today, including patch notes and whatnot. Noteable updates among those patches are smaller GameJam updates that don't always see the green light - which is important to highlight. You told us "Protoxx showed us each and every question" as if he was there to tell you it was a legitimate and earnest survey. What he actually did was show everyone the survey questions quickly and not in all that much detail as a part of a video that was encompassing all of the days' news.

> Init Yeah opens his video - which is also a weekly news recap and not anything resulting out of a "change of heart" and starts off the portion of the video about the community consultation with
"Man, I think they're spending too much time on this..."
He also thinks the update sucks still and thinks its important to fill out the survey simply to ensure we move on from the issue altogether - AND he thinks Jagex is actually being suspicious with regards to how much of the team is working on it! Actually watch the video if you're going to cite it as evidence!

Tell you what. I'll work harder on giving you your make believe updates from other creators (they haven't changed over the course of the month) if you can start really proving they're changing their mind.

Love ya, hon.
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I've just read the comment section for Inits video.

You're getting good at this whole comedian thing - because if you were being serious about that it was a bloodbath.

I'll play some of the hits.

---

"I genuinely don't think i've ever heard innit so dead while going through patch notes. The usual tone to his voice just isn't there. :( "


"Init sounded so exhausted reading this. Summarizes the rs3 community ATM"


"Im moving to OSRS. I swapped about 3b gp to there and I'm having SO MUCH MORE FUN. Really considering using my RS3 main just to afk money makers while at work to send over to OSRS and play when I'm home."


"what do you mean consultation begins.... didnt it begin the week it was released...."
(YES. YES IT DID, YouTube commenter. YES IT DID.)

"RS3 id dead to me, but Init isn't, Ill always watch your stuff mate. Id absolutely love for you to start an OSRS account, but ill still watch your rs3 stuff! But ill never log back on."


"They're trying waaaaay too hard to make their garbage battlepass work. This is bad news.."
(Yes, there does seem to be something fishy about how intentional they are with saving this thing.)

"I'm not wasting any more of my time giving them feedback. They know what needs done at this point, they are just putting it off intentionally and all the while milking the playerbase more and more. I don't believe anything they say, all they've done is build bad faith.


"Jagex just remove it how many lifes do you think your company has you almost completely killed your game with EOC to a point you had to release essentially a private server to keep a community this update is just as bad you already had yak track now you want 2 battle passes im sick of it."
(Important comment because it's not accurate but the downward trajectory is what I've been trying to point toward.)
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03-Oct-2023 03:04:20

Roddy Piper
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I don't understand the expected results of all this, if it doesn't include skips.

Are they looking for the minimum amount of time the players would allow, and still think it was worth having?

Battle Pass 101 said to figure out how much time the players would allow before it was considered a grind.

Why would they do the opposite of that? To NOT make money?

I've been known to partake in skips from time to time. I'm not entirely against it.

I can't imagine a seasonal pass system that didn't have a way to catch up and finish using MTX. It's almost silly to think of.

03-Oct-2023 03:17:23

H 1 L D A
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No, Roddy, there was a reason, a month ago (which apparently Dilbert thinks we can't talk about anymore for some unforeseen reason) the pass was sooooo long and it had a premier track that you could buy into. That's why players who think the changes we have seen already are permanent need a really big reality check.

Here's the thing though - if this pass does reach the point where players just kinda accept it, it will be because it doesn't yield itself to make profit for Jagex in that manner and adheres to the length that allows every player to complete it without buying in.

That puts Jagex in a hard place - because the initial Hero Pass almost certainly wasn't designed with player accessibility in mind. They were counting on people buying in and buying the skips.

This need for it to be profitable would explain:

> Why Jagex won't commit to the balancing changes applying for every pass afterwards.
> Why Jagex won't commit to keeping content buffs out of Hero Pass in the future.
> Why Jagex won't just bury this thing despite a wide front of people begging them to do so.

Dilbert keeps trying to say we've reached the peak and the product is where it will always be now - and he keeps trying to press me for why I'm trying to show disapproval in spite of those changes. You're leveling with me!

For Jagex, any Hero Pass that doesn't allow them to profit off of it is a loss for them and is just as good as non-existent. Which is funny, because that's what players have the most consensus as to what would be okay (it being non-existent!).

For the playerbase, any retraction on MTX would incite the playerbase and continue the negative mood the community is in.

You would think, that if Jagex can't find the battlepass in a profitable situation after this consultation period, that even THEY would be forced to punt on this.

That's why I'm still here, Dilbert. :)
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03-Oct-2023 03:31:57

Roddy Piper
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Guaranteed reaction: if future hero pass is easy and the reward is strong, there will be an argument that it doesn't feel special or exclusive enough. That it's too easy and it's totally ruined because everyone has it.

In order to deal with that, they would make the best rewards 'extra and optional', but other folks could MTX their way in.

Whether it's now or later, it is inevitable. Every path leads there.

03-Oct-2023 03:39:47 - Last edited on 03-Oct-2023 03:42:14 by Roddy Piper

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